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re: 2022 Recruiting and beyond. (Updated: 20/JUN/2021)
Posted on 12/19/19 at 4:05 pm to Gatorbait2008
Posted on 12/19/19 at 4:05 pm to Gatorbait2008
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It's like you purposefully ignore average recruit ranking. They had a class with 16 kids, but had a ranking over .92 a recruit. Just because they have so little turnover and do not over sign does not mean it is a bad class. You know this, but it hurts your argument so you are ignoring it to fit a narrative.
So you guys would be okay with the #16 class as long as the class average was high?
Put me in the: You're all full of shite camp.
https://247sports.com/college/clemson/Season/2017-Football/Commits/
They had 2 five stars and 8 four stars.
We picked up Cox (5-star) and, at the moment, have 16 four stars.
Callin' bullshite on all of you right now.
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Posted on 12/19/19 at 6:40 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I’m just saying you need to add the average in when you compare yourselves with Clemson. They take small classes but get top recruits.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 7:02 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
They also play in the acc. They aren’t playing against teams that have higher recruiting rankings unlike Florida. There’s a reason Clemson was finally able to get over the hump. FSU tanked. Until FSU tanked Clemson couldn’t even win their own conference.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 7:08 pm to slayerxing
Yeah no doubt. I’m just saying there’s more to it than just the overall ranking.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 10:55 pm to slayerxing
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They aren’t playing against teams that have higher recruiting rankings unlike Florida, who occasionally has to play Alab--...oh frick.
Again, this board would melt if we took the #16 class ever. We would literally fire a coach for recruiting like that for just one year and whine about not filling needs.
We have 17 blue chips in one class, or more blue chips than Clemson had recruits the year I listed.
Just to put the dagger in this argument:
We had 11 Blue Chips in the 2018 class (technically Mullen's first, basically McElwain's last)
We had 11 in the 2017 class.
We had 8 in the 2016 class.
If you guys can't appreciate that we went from averaging 10 Blue Chips a class to averaging 16.5 Blue Chips (17 counting transfers) then I'm not sure what conversation we're supposed to be having.
Expecting to recruit top 5 with an average at 92.00 per recruit is simply unrealistic.
This post was edited on 12/19/19 at 10:56 pm
Posted on 12/19/19 at 11:38 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I'd take 16 kids at .92 than 24 at .89 anyday, so you are wrong. Just because you do not understand what average player rating means does not mean you are right.
Overall class ranking is fine, but overall recruit average is more important. Easily. Now that number for us is a little low this year, mainly from taking some shots in the dark on Oline and a TE legacy as well as a punter. So I'm fine with it being a little lower. But Clemson has a set plan, and they have won doing it their own way.
We arent doing it our own way. We are going after the same guys everyone else is, we are just losing a few to many battles for top tier players. To get to that next level, we need to hit on these more. It's great to get four stars, but please do not act like the 333rd ranked player is equal to the 50th ranked player..cause they arent.
We need to get our class ranking near .92 soon.
Overall class ranking is fine, but overall recruit average is more important. Easily. Now that number for us is a little low this year, mainly from taking some shots in the dark on Oline and a TE legacy as well as a punter. So I'm fine with it being a little lower. But Clemson has a set plan, and they have won doing it their own way.
We arent doing it our own way. We are going after the same guys everyone else is, we are just losing a few to many battles for top tier players. To get to that next level, we need to hit on these more. It's great to get four stars, but please do not act like the 333rd ranked player is equal to the 50th ranked player..cause they arent.
We need to get our class ranking near .92 soon.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 1:40 am to Gatorbait2008
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I'd take 16 kids at .92 than 24 at .89 anyday, so you are wrong. Just because you do not understand what average player rating means does not mean you are right.
That's absolutely retarded.
Counting Cox + Taking out our punter (who is a two star and rated at something like 80 or even lower) we're around .91.
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We need to get our class ranking near .92 soon.
Like who? Georgia?
Oooh, tough, they're not in the Playoff. Haven't been despite being .92 in 2018 and .91 this year.
Maybe Alabama? Well they got decimated by Clemson, And holy Kentucky Fried frick look at their 2019 Team talent Composite, sitting at .89.
I'll be goddamned, m'boy.
We're fine, and you guys need to find new hobbies where you're not freaking out every single year about recruiting when we are steadily improving.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 8:35 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Like who? Georgia?
Oooh, tough, they're not in the Playoff. Haven't been despite being .92 in 2018 and .91 this year.
Because we don't play in the Almost Competitive Conference
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Maybe Alabama?
See above
I don't get why you're comparing yourselves to Clemson in the first place. They won the first one with a great qb and the second one with a great qb and DL. They admitted that they started preparing for Bama a month in advance because their schedule is so damn weak they don't have to worry much about playing anyone in their conference. That's never going to happen in the SEC.
This post was edited on 12/20/19 at 8:41 am
Posted on 12/20/19 at 9:11 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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That's never going to happen in the SEC.
I love it when people talk in absolutes. It will never be like this, until it is. Then they have every reason in the world why it happened that way, but just couldn't imagine it before it happened.
Dabo lost to Spurrier his 1st five seasons after being named permanent head coach. I'm sure there were plenty of Clemson fans who wanted him fired. Now he is the golden boy.
This post was edited on 12/20/19 at 9:12 am
Posted on 12/20/19 at 9:28 am to bigDgator
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I love it when people talk in absolutes. It will never be like this, until it is. Then they have every reason in the world why it happened that way, but just couldn't imagine it before it happened.
The ACC was a one team pony when it was just FSU. There were a couple of years where it was Miami/FSU. Now it's just Clemson. Do you foresee the SEC becoming a one team league like the ACC? As far as I can remember in the last 30 years there have always been several top 10 teams from our league. Hell, I don't even think there is another top 25 team in the ACC right now. And sure it's a possibility but it's not very likely to happen.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 9:42 am to Porter Osborne Jr
Quote from UF's latest 2021 commit
"I feel like I’m a fit for them. Growing up, I was actually a Florida State fan, you know? But now I’m at the age where I understand football" - Javonte Gardner
"I feel like I’m a fit for them. Growing up, I was actually a Florida State fan, you know? But now I’m at the age where I understand football" - Javonte Gardner
Posted on 12/20/19 at 12:29 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
The point is that having elite recruiting isn't the top indicator right now.
You guys told me that it was a Blue Chip Ratio for so long, now our BCR is hovering around 70% this year, much more than any class for five years (McElwain and Muschamp at the end were both below 50%).
Then it was the average player -- you see, we need to be around .92 to win a National Championship. Oh, well looks like Clemson won theirs at .89.
Now it's "well we need top 100 players". It's the same thing, people try to justify recruiting to winning National Championships and it's proven incorrect every single year.
LSU is nothing without Joe Burrow running that offense. Clemson doesn't win like that (if at all) without Trevor Lawrence. Alabama for sure doesn't win the National Championship without Tua Tagovailoa (you should know this better than anyone).
This year there isn't a single team that has an average QB, they are all Elite, not Superior, Elite.
Joe Burrow is #2 in Total QBR.
Justin Fields is #3.
Jalen Hurts is #4.
Trevor Lawrence is #5.
That seems to be a considerably better metric than recruiting at this point. Only a single team has .92 in the Team Talent Composite and that's Ohio State.
LSU is at .90.
Clemson, once again, is at .89.
Oklahoma is at .89.
And just for funsies: Florida is at .89.
So no, you don't need a .92 to win the SEC since LSU beat the frick out of the two teams that had it while only having .90.
Recruiting is absolutely important, but I'll take a Cam Newton, Trevor Lawrence, Tim Tebow, Justin Fields, Tua, Burrow, Prescott etc. over a top 5 class any day.
Top 8 - 10 class + a player like that = Success.
And I think Anthony Richardson is the first QB who is getting close to that mold.
6-4, 233 pounds entering as a true freshman with a 4.5 40 meter dash.
I have no problems with the class, nor how Mullen is running the program and all of the metrics point toward success once he gets his players installed.
You guys told me that it was a Blue Chip Ratio for so long, now our BCR is hovering around 70% this year, much more than any class for five years (McElwain and Muschamp at the end were both below 50%).
Then it was the average player -- you see, we need to be around .92 to win a National Championship. Oh, well looks like Clemson won theirs at .89.
Now it's "well we need top 100 players". It's the same thing, people try to justify recruiting to winning National Championships and it's proven incorrect every single year.
LSU is nothing without Joe Burrow running that offense. Clemson doesn't win like that (if at all) without Trevor Lawrence. Alabama for sure doesn't win the National Championship without Tua Tagovailoa (you should know this better than anyone).
This year there isn't a single team that has an average QB, they are all Elite, not Superior, Elite.
Joe Burrow is #2 in Total QBR.
Justin Fields is #3.
Jalen Hurts is #4.
Trevor Lawrence is #5.
That seems to be a considerably better metric than recruiting at this point. Only a single team has .92 in the Team Talent Composite and that's Ohio State.
LSU is at .90.
Clemson, once again, is at .89.
Oklahoma is at .89.
And just for funsies: Florida is at .89.
So no, you don't need a .92 to win the SEC since LSU beat the frick out of the two teams that had it while only having .90.
Recruiting is absolutely important, but I'll take a Cam Newton, Trevor Lawrence, Tim Tebow, Justin Fields, Tua, Burrow, Prescott etc. over a top 5 class any day.
Top 8 - 10 class + a player like that = Success.
And I think Anthony Richardson is the first QB who is getting close to that mold.
6-4, 233 pounds entering as a true freshman with a 4.5 40 meter dash.
I have no problems with the class, nor how Mullen is running the program and all of the metrics point toward success once he gets his players installed.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 6:51 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Mullen has proven he can solve high school recruiting issues in the portal too. I’m happy with overall team talent heading in to 2020. Looks like the most talented team uf will have had since 2012.
But the recruiting has been uneven. That’s why they took like 12 dbs in the past two classes and want like 7 dL this year. Wr recruiting was mediocre last year which is why they are scrambling for quality depth this year.
Wunderlich or whatever his name is on Twitter summed it up well why many fans are worried about recruiting despite the superb overall number of blue chip (4/5*) players.
Georgia loses a 5 star transfer rush end and then a 4 star OT because their ol coach leaves and it has almost zero impact on Georgia but it’s huuuuge for Florida.
That’s the power of great recruiting. With mullens ability to develop, if he could ever recruit like that it would be game over.
But the recruiting has been uneven. That’s why they took like 12 dbs in the past two classes and want like 7 dL this year. Wr recruiting was mediocre last year which is why they are scrambling for quality depth this year.
Wunderlich or whatever his name is on Twitter summed it up well why many fans are worried about recruiting despite the superb overall number of blue chip (4/5*) players.
Georgia loses a 5 star transfer rush end and then a 4 star OT because their ol coach leaves and it has almost zero impact on Georgia but it’s huuuuge for Florida.
That’s the power of great recruiting. With mullens ability to develop, if he could ever recruit like that it would be game over.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 10:05 pm to slayerxing
The biggest problem I see from a recruiting standpoint (which I do not follow like others) is some of his staff not being strong recruiters heck not even being mediocre recruiters.
Mullen need to make some staff changes ( Knox & Gonzales for sure) and im not a fan of english either
Mullen need to make some staff changes ( Knox & Gonzales for sure) and im not a fan of english either
Posted on 12/20/19 at 11:30 pm to slayerxing
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Georgia loses a 5 star transfer rush end and then a 4 star OT because their ol coach leaves and it has almost zero impact on Georgia but it’s huuuuge for Florida.
Maybe not a good example because they lost Cager and got the frick beaten out of them by four touchdowns just the other week. Didn't they lose to South Carolina at home because they didn't have Cager? If they didn't have Cager with us it wouldn't have even been a ball game.
Maybe you should use Alabama instead?
Oh wait, they lost Tua and lost to Auburn and LSU.
Let me write you another narrative, instead: Recruiting sites are sites that are based on subscriptions and keeping people enticed enough to pay for information and it's a well known fact that Media (regardless of the medium) rides on negativity.
That's why in CNN, FOX, Facebook and Twitter all have algorithms to show you things that you don't like. (This isn't a conspiracy theory, look it up.)
Why? People click and interact with websites more which drives up revenue.
Albino is a great example. He doesn't follow recruiting but he knows which coaches need to be fired because "they're not elite recruiters".
As I said in the beginning of the season: All teams are riding on not being injured and hoping that they don't lose superstar players. Georgia lost theirs and couldn't beat South Carolina at home. Alabama lost theirs and lost to two teams they beat on the regular.
If Joe Burrow went down tomorrow, LSU would be good and proper fricked. Every team is about an injury or two away from having problems (ahem, Greenard, who you guys thought was replaceable at the beginning of the year).
Like I said: I'm not buying this narrative that the staff is recruiting at such a terrible rate that it warrants several pages on our recruiting page. It's not a perfect class, but even teams with perfect classes (Georgia) don't make it to the playoffs so all we can do is:
Hope that the Transfer Portal gives us another superior to elite player and hope that our coach can adjust to not having certain players on the field.
As of right now the most important piece to our puzzle is going to be the reason we have sustained success:
Emory Jones.
Anthony Richardson.
Carlos del Rio.
All other whining, bellyaching and thrashing until then is pretty much pointless -- we're recruiting top ten and averaging NY6 Bowls. Again, relax.
This post was edited on 12/20/19 at 11:35 pm
Posted on 12/21/19 at 6:01 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Dude that was quite the rant Just to basically agree with me at the end lol.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 7:25 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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As far as I can remember in the last 30 years there have always been several top 10 teams from our league. Hell, I don't even think there is another top 25 team in the ACC right now. And sure it's a possibility but it's not very likely to happen.
Well some folks say that the SEC was down in the 90's which is why Spurrier was so successful. Of course many of those are Spurrier haters.
This post was edited on 12/21/19 at 7:28 am
Posted on 12/21/19 at 7:53 am to bigDgator
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Well some folks say that the SEC was down in the 90's which is why Spurrier was so successful. Of course many of those are Spurrier haters.
Some people are idiots. He came into a run heavy league and brought a fantastic offense that took advantage of the situation. The league was different but still stronger as a whole compared the ACC today.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 8:42 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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Some people are idiots.
No argument there, and that includes me.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 12:13 pm to slayerxing
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Dude that was quite the rant Just to basically agree with me at the end lol.
Because we don't agree.
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Wunderlich or whatever his name is on Twitter summed it up well why many fans are worried about recruiting despite the superb overall number of blue chip (4/5*) players. Georgia loses a 5 star transfer rush end and then a 4 star OT because their ol coach leaves and it has almost zero impact on Georgia but it’s huuuuge for Florida.
And I showed you how Georgia lost a single receiver and their entire offense collapsed in on itself.
I made a very good point on Albino knowing which coaches needed to be fired in spite of not following recruiting. They're just selling subscriptions and controversy, nothing more.
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