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re: State of Gamecock Recruiting for 2019

Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:01 pm to
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:01 pm to
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No, every time ive puttogether a class on class calculator on 247 with yhe likely names we end up as as high as 10th low as 14th based on the past 3 class rrankings.


... and he's got us finishing anywhere from 9th to 13th which, when I do what everyone else does and start naming classes we are sure to finish behind - seems like it would be the lower end.

So when I start approaching it from that angle I look at it this way, in no particular order:

Bama
UGA
Ohio State
Texas
SoCal
Oklahoma
Notre Dame
Penn State
Clemson

So that's nine. One of those would have to drop for us to hit #9.

Then comes the next level.

Auburn
Florida
FSU
Miami
LSU
Nebraska (this year because of the new coach)
Michigan
Tennessee
A&M

That's nine more and we would have to finish above five of them for us to finish 13th.

Now, finding five from that second group is far more doable but still not easy by any means.

Who would be the five below us from the second group?

Nebraska maybe?
Tennessee?
Florida perhaps?
Miami?

I mean it is really going to be tough finishing anywhere between let's say 9-14 even. Which puts signing a Top Ten class into perspective, especially doing it consistently for a few consecutive years.

Thankfully, I believe, if it can be done here Boom and staff are the guys to do it but still ... it's gonna be really really tough just finishing 13th or above this season.

Yet his metric is accurate, so accurate, he's nailed it better than anyone else for a long time. I mean he works a circuit doing this and there's word Vegas may pick him up ... several of the big casinos are supposed to be after him because his predictions translate to odds so well on the books.

Let's look at it this way.

If you're a Bama fan and given 5:3 odds on you bringing in a #1 class this year .... would you take it? $500 bet would net you a $300.00 win. That's a helluva return on your $500 bet on a program that has signed six of the last ten #1 classes.

Or, as a SC fan would you bet us to show at 11-12-13 at say 5:1 odds? Or place at 5:2 on 12-13 or 13-14?

Remember, his metric takes everything into account including plugging holes and position needs and skill ratings vs lineman ratings and player rankings within given radiuses and all of that.

Here's the thing though. mUSChamp and company have already demonstrated that they could give a fat baby's butt about individual rankings or class rankings ... so to me they are not a safe bet when you break it down Vegas style. They may sign a two star unknown kid and develop him or see something in him no one else sees. They may take a kid who is a three star who gets bumped to a four star when other offers pour in ... but they'll never see some of the bumps Bama and Ohio State and Notre Dame, et al, get when they sign certain players. Hell, I've seen it happen. Steve Spurrier and I talked about it on the golf course one time when we had a kid decommit from us in 2005 at the last minute I think it was, sign with UF at the last minute ... and he was bumped from a three star to a four star on signing day. Happens all the time. Bobby Burton once admitted to me when he was drunk that they do it for the high-subscribing team sites to generate more premium subscriptions .... he admitted flat out doing it for Texas and Notre Dame and Florida who had the three biggest sites in that network back then.

So how do you predict that?

What I was told this morning is that the way you predict that is by predicting a class will be so strong as to overcome the blue blood effect by signing undeniably more talented players ... and that Boom will accomplish that with this next class.

I guess here's what I'm trying to communicate.

I've been into this recruiting thing for the better part of forty years. Used every possible medium back in the day to try and figure it out. It turned into big business with the advent of the Internet ... took until about 1996 for it to finally kick in and by 2004 is was hitting stride in terms of money/profitability but not in terms of accuracy when it came to the rankings. Yet now we know that in these past ten years or so that's been refined and the higher the class the far greater chance for success in the P5 conferences.

Never, not ever, have we had a chance to break through the glass ceiling we've been living under like we do with this next class. Something is up. I mean Boom is a fricking recruiting machine and all that but I also think the timing is just right with the new buildings and all the academic support and Marcus coming on board ... it all begins to fall in place with this next class.

Now all we have to try to do is figure out who it's gonna be.

I'd think big though. I'd be very optimistic. Something is up.

So given that I know little to nothing about specific players these days until they visit and feed back trickles down from above ... who am I missing? We've got what, nine committed? We're going to sign 25 minimum. That's at least 16 more ... are they going to be that good? Wouldn't they all have to be like 4 and 5 star players for us to have a realistic shot at finishing between 9-13?

This is kind of like baseball. We have to finish one game above .500 in league play the rest of the season to have a shot at the post season ... everyone tracks that, right? 12 games, four series, we need to finish 7-5 and we finish the regular season in conference at 16-14. Still got a shot if we finish 6-6 because of their RPI and a chance in Hoover to bump it above .500.

So same thing for this recruiting class.

If we had to make a list of twenty that would fill all the necessary holes (remembering we have to sign four LBs in this class) ... who would those twenty be and what 16 of them do we have the best chance to sign?

Because since breakfast this morning it's been driving me crazy. I can't make it come-out right on paper yet when you say 14th Mike ... that's pretty damn close and makes me think it could happen.

If it does that also means we finish above some in that second tier of nine who are gonna be pissed.

Do we legit have a shot at signing two 5*s this class and the rest (of the remaining sixteen) 4*s?
Posted by mikeboss550
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Posted on 4/26/18 at 12:37 am to
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Do we legit have a shot at signing two 5*s this class and the rest (of the remaining sixteen) 4*s?


Yes Zacch Pickens and Crouch (unlikely but still a chance) also a slim oitside shot Hilinski gets to 5 as well.
Posted by GameCocky88
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Posted on 4/26/18 at 8:20 am to
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So given that I know little to nothing about specific players these days until they visit and feed back trickles down from above ... who am I missing? We've got what, nine committed? We're going to sign 25 minimum. That's at least 16 more ... are they going to be that good? Wouldn't they all have to be like 4 and 5 star players for us to have a realistic shot at finishing between 9-13?


Couple of things:

1) we are 9-13 right now already. While we do have more committed than some, its not a drastic amount that would cause a huge downturn later.

2) a lot of the remaining guys truly are 4-5* guys.

3) most of the usual suspects that finish in the top 15 won't be taking 25 so we'll actually have that going for us.

I wouldn't be shocked at all for us to be 9-13. I'd be a touch suprised with a top 10 finish but with guys that are interested, like Crouch for instance, how we perform this year will have a lot to do with it. If we come out and win 9+ games again with a more exciting offense, I think we stand a shot.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 4/26/18 at 3:46 pm to
Thanks guys.

So I guess I'm in and just gonna hope I fall somewhere in the 10-14 range.

Sure is great seeing our fortunes change this much in the eyes of the computer prognosticators. Wasn't sure I would ever see it in my lifetime, especially with these future trends taking shape.

Can you imagine what it would be like to sign three or four years of consecutive Top 14 classes let's say? Keep this staff together to coach'em-up and all.

This is gonna be fun I think. Just never imagined it would turn in our favor this quickly.

Sure does illustrate though, just how tough it is to climb the ladder.
Posted by mikeboss550
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Posted on 4/29/18 at 6:15 pm to
Picked up commit from 6'4" 220# 4* TE Traevon Kenion out of NC.
Posted by mikeboss550
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Posted on 5/6/18 at 3:51 pm to
Hilinski is trying to fly in for the first weekend of june for our huge official visitor list of

Joseph Anderson 4* SDE

Elijah Blades 4* JUCO CB

Lakia Henry 4* JUCO LB

Savion Jackson 4* SDE

Jammie Robinson 3* ATH

Zacch Pickens 5* SDE

Chris Steele 5* CB

Anthony Whigan 4* JUCO OT

Out of all these guys most likely to commit is Anderson. This is the biggest recruiting weekend I've seen in a long time if ever here.
This post was edited on 5/6/18 at 4:07 pm
Posted by Carolina_Girl
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Posted on 5/10/18 at 4:50 pm to
Chris Steele named us in his top 8 today. The taters did not make the cut. Others that did make it were Oregon, SoCal, Florida, Penn State, Tennessee, Oklahoma and Miami.

Bama and Ohio State were recruiting him hard as well and obviously did not make the cut, either.
Posted by Carolina_Girl
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Posted on 5/10/18 at 8:39 pm to
Uhhh...Ohio State just offered Hilinski. These frickers need to back off of our guy.
Posted by mikeboss550
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Posted on 5/10/18 at 9:36 pm to
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Uhhh...Ohio State just offered Hilinski. These frickers need to back off of our guy.



As for the possibility of anyone flipping his commitment;


“Honestly, probably not, I don’t see it happening,” Hilinski said. “It would have to be a really, really, really good situation for me and my family, especially my family and I just don’t see that happening.


“There are some schools that are good situations for me but not for my family and South Carolina fits both of those for me. It really fits everything me and my family were looking for in a school and I’m really comfortable with them.”


Im not worried at all
This post was edited on 5/10/18 at 10:08 pm
Posted by Carolina_Girl
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Posted on 5/10/18 at 9:41 pm to
That's very reassuring.
It just seems as if all of the schools that were sleeping on him have woken up recently bc his offers are rolling in like crazy now. Hell, LSU offered him recently iirc.
Posted by mikeboss550
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Posted on 5/12/18 at 3:34 pm to
Posted by CarolinaCock
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Posted on 5/12/18 at 5:08 pm to
This is interesting considering LSU tabbed themselves dbu
Posted by mikeboss550
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Posted on 5/14/18 at 8:59 pm to
hilinski upset with coaches

quote:

Have you planned to visit any of these other schools?

Hilinski: “I don’t think that I will. Maybe with a couple of recent offers that have been given out to South Carolina, maybe I’ll think about it, but I haven’t scheduled or talked about any visits coming up with any other schools.”

What were South Carolina’s coaches saying as those other guys were offered?

Hilinski: “That’s the crazy part actually. I didn’t get anything from those coaches. I saw the offer over Twitter and I was kind of like, OK, you offered a couple of kids in my class and I didn’t hear that you were going to offer them. It’s kind of weird to me, just seeing that and not hearing from the coaches, because I know when I got offers from other schools, I called them before I posted them, so I thought it would maybe be a two-street. It’s just a little weird in my book, that’s all.”

Have you had a chance to talk with them, to has that out?

Hilinski: “I haven’t yet. I haven’t talked to them. I got a text from Coach Muschamp this morning, just me and my parents, ‘It’s a great day to be a Gamecock,’ but I haven’t gotten anything from anybody.”


This post was edited on 5/14/18 at 9:23 pm
Posted by mikeboss550
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Posted on 5/14/18 at 9:24 pm to
This is reminiscent to when Boom said the same thing to Mike Davis and kept recruiting Keith Marshall....we all saw how that ended up....
Posted by atlgamecockman
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Posted on 5/15/18 at 1:04 am to
frickkk seriously
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 5/15/18 at 2:04 am to
There are a lot of egos in play here.

If we're truly planning on moving Joyner to WR, and I think that may be the plan after this coming season ... then we habe to recruit two QBs in this next class. We have no choice.

It's not uncommon for big time programs to sign two highly rated players at the same position if the board calls for it ... the depth chart.

Hilinski surely is not afraid of the competition, is he? If so, think about that for a moment.

Now, should we communicate it better to him? Absolutely, yes. But who knows the whole story behind it at the moment.

I'd be willing to bet that it gets smoothed-over in short order. This staff knows how to handle this kinda stuff. If it cannot be smoothed over then what is either side to do? I can tell you this. If a prospect feels he should have a clear, non-competitive path to a starter's role and he feels slighted during the process ... that rarely works-out. If we see Hilinski make a serious move towards LSU then we cannot control that and we'll still have to sign two QBs in this next class ... the two best available. And there is a long ways to go.
Posted by mikeboss550
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Posted on 5/15/18 at 2:37 am to
No this is on the staff, dont spin it otherwise...ryan was open with them and they shaded thier moves....it took us as fans berating boom to fix it...this isnt a good look...i dont care how good of recruiters this staff is when they pull the same shite over and over

If the move was to take 2 due to moving dak to wr theu should have let ryan kbow and this wouldbt be an issue...clearly thwy didnt
This post was edited on 5/15/18 at 2:43 am
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 5/15/18 at 2:57 am to
Not spinning ... just stating the reality of recruiting these days. Hopefully it all works-out in the end but I try to never let one prospect's view of something determine the overall value of what a staff is trying to accomplish ...

1) Because we don't know the whole story.

2) Because our paychecks don't depend on recruiting and developing and filling holes and building a team as does these coaches. So I assume, for lack of a better word, that these coaches are not going to do anything self destructive.

3) They've done exceptional jobs recruiting thus far IMHO and have not given us any substantial reason to doubt their methodology.

4) Not going to jump to any conclusions now because there are what, 220 days to go until the early signing day and a lot is sure to change between now and then.

5) Regradless of all of the above, one player rarely makes a class and certainly one player rarely makes a team. I hope we keep Hilinski but, if not, it wasn't meant to be.
This post was edited on 5/15/18 at 3:28 am
Posted by mikeboss550
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Posted on 5/15/18 at 3:12 am to
The qb does in fact make a class...especially ahen he is as good as hilinski...but this is all moot apparently with his tweet earlier
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 5/15/18 at 3:26 am to
The "Don't Worry" tweets?
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