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clhawkins19
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Jake Bentley and Ryan Hilinski
How good do you think these two would have been under someone like spurrier? I think Bentley would have been a high draft pick after his junior season.


I Bleed Garnet
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re: Jake Bentley and Ryan Hilinski
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How good do you think these two would have been under someone like spurrier? I think Bentley would have been a high draft pick after his junior season.

I don’t think so with Bentley
Spurrier doesn’t have a great history in general with making high draft picks
Don’t think it would change with Jake


clhawkins19
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re: Jake Bentley and Ryan Hilinski
I do for the simple reason of Bentley wouldn’t have been asked to carry the whole team. Connor Shaw and Dylan Thompson never had a chance to be drafted, yet they both produced very well. I feel like with jake, he had the mechanics and arm talent to go far, but with holes around him and an offense that quite frankly wasn’t suited for him, he had to try to carry it.


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re: Jake Bentley and Ryan Hilinski
It's hard to say what would have happened.

You would have loved for Spurrier to be able to coach someone like Bentley, Hilinksi, Doty, or hell even Joyner, but Spurrier didn't have a track record of recruiting high-profile QBs here most of his career with the exception of Stephen Garcia.

It's like Spurrier never wanted to be in a situation where he had to develop a highly rated QB, so one of his objectives was to never really recruit QB at a high level.


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I Bleed Garnet
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I just didn’t see the skill with Bentley
And this wasn’t after he got his arse kicked
That was even his first year
That was the softest 9 win season I’ve seen

Ryan is another story


Lonnie Utah
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I just didn’t see the skill with Bentley



Bentley's problem wasn't his arm, it was his head.


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Bentley's problem wasn't his arm, it was his head.


I think his skill too.


Lonnie Utah
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I think his skill too.


I can't say it any better than Bull Durham.

He's got a million-dollar arm with a five-cent head.


I Bleed Garnet
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I can't say it any better than Bull Durham.

He's got a million-dollar arm with a five-cent head.

Plenty of million dollar arms with 5 cent heads are in the NFL today and getting drafted.
I don't believe he will, because he's just not good enough.

Connor Shaw and Dylan Thompson had a million dollar heads with minimal skill.
Neither were drafted
This post was edited on 7/28 at 10:31 am


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I don't believe he will because he's just not good enough.


Jake's biggest issue is decision making, but has the stats to get drafted because of his arm talent. His stats are slightly worse than Jordan Love's, slightly better than Josh Allen's, and on par with Daniel Jones'.

I fully expect him to find a way in the league if he even has an average season in the PAC 12.


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GarnetStrand
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re: Jake Bentley and Ryan Hilinski
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That was even his first year
That was the softest 9 win season I’ve seen


His first year was the year before when we went 6-7. It was a decent half of a season for him, but nothing more.


I Bleed Garnet
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His first year was the year before when we went 6-7. It was a decent half of a season for him, but nothing more.


That’s right
He started getting “hyped” after the 9 Win season


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I Bleed Garnet
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re: Jake Bentley and Ryan Hilinski
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His stats are slightly worse than Jordan Love's, slightly better than Josh Allen's, and on par with Daniel Jones'.

All 3 of these guys are more talented than Jake

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I fully expect him to find a way in the league if he even has an average season in the PAC 12.

Sure as an UDFA
He’s not going to be a first round pick (which those 3 were)
And probably won’t get drafted


Lonnie Utah
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All 3 of these guys are more talented than Jake



It's a sliding scale tho. You have to look at competition they faced and their supporting cast.

I'll say this, Jake did very well at the Manning academy when he was there.


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It's a sliding scale tho. You have to look at competition they faced and their supporting cast.

You’re right. Jake had much more talent on his teams


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I'll say this, Jake did very well at the Manning academy when he was there.

Alex Hornibrook
Shane Buechele
Seth Russell

All won the passing academy challenges in years too


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Soda City Spur
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All 3 of these guys are more talented than Jake


Based on what?

I'd rather quantify someone's talent over the course of 25-35 games played rather than a lousy combine or pro-day workout.

Bentley already has the stats, so imagine what would happen if he tested well after having an average-good senior season.

He'll get drafted if he can just cut down the turnovers and maintain the same average completion %, yards, and TD which I think is even more likely to happen playing in the PAC than the SEC. The team he's playing for also made their conference championship game so there's naturally more spotlight on Utah right now than there is Carolina.

2021 QB class is also a black hole after Lawrence, Fields, and possibly Lance. The current consensus is Brock Purdy and Jamie Newman are the next best prospects after those 3 if that tells you anything.


Soda City Spur
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Which stats over 18 games would you rather have?

Option 1 -

213.83 YPG / 63.59 CMP% / 24 TDs / 13 INTs

Option 2 -

219.5 YPG / 58.26 CMP% / 35 TD / 15 INTs

Option 3 -

283.27 YPG / 67.83 CMP% / 36 TDs / 14 INTs


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I Bleed Garnet
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Based on what?

They’re first round draft picks, Jake will not be

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I'd rather quantify someone's talent over the course of 25-35 games played rather than a lousy combine or pro-day workout.


Jake played with better talent than all 3 of those players

Maybe Jake will be drafted, but I don’t think he will
I wouldn’t be shocked if the Rs Sophomore transfer beats him out either
This post was edited on 7/29 at 3:16 pm


Soda City Spur
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They’re first round draft picks, Jake will not be


Jake will be evaluated on the same shite those guys were evaluated on... so when all 3 are similar why are the chances of Jake making it so much worse than the others?


I Bleed Garnet
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Jake will be evaluated on the same shite those guys were evaluated on... s

Yes, and most likely won’t be graded out as a first round pick

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so when all 3 are similar why are the chances of Jake making it so much worse than the others?


I have no clue, I’m not a GM. But I follow the draft.

Maybe he’ll win the Heisman this year (which will greatly change his stock: see Joe Burrow)
But as of now have you seen anyone call him a first round pick?
I haven’t
I think it will be a win for him if he goes before the 4th


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