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re: If we were to hire a new HC who would you like to see?
Posted on 10/10/14 at 12:01 am to Foolish cock
Posted on 10/10/14 at 12:01 am to Foolish cock
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But you are right rooster, i am just pissed, i need to get off the ledge.
And yes, i think technically Dylan is choking the chicken. And i hate it for him, he is a great kid. Nobody wants to choke, but thats what it looks like is happening.
He's not closing well right now ... that's for sure.
There are leadership issues - someone has to be willing to take over a game.
We may not have that sort of player on either side of the ball right now. So far it doesn't look lime it.
Thompson is too drama prone apparently. So is Davis. Shaq is about worthless. Deke is pissing me off ... there is some talent and depth there and he is not getting the most outta what he has.
Whammy is trying to do something he does not have the personnel for .... and I'm really starting to think all of our LBs are suffering from a sophomore slump at the same time.
I personally believe Grady Brown is the real week link in the staff right now. He's probably on the hot seat along with Joe Rob, if not more so.
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Posted on 10/10/14 at 1:00 am to scrooster
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He's probably on the hot seat along with Joe Rob, if not more so.
Have a buddy that works at a moving company and he said they moved Joe Rob into a new house over the summer and it was a huge downgrade.
Hes either anticipating Spurrier making a move or he might be planning to leave regardless
Posted on 10/10/14 at 6:32 am to scrooster
I agree, the jury is still out on Deke.
I don't want Ward as HC.... unless he becomes a defensive-savant by next season and that defense improves drastically.
All in all, we learned a valuable lesson this season..... We've learned that SC hasn't "arrived" yet and we can't rest on our laurels. It's time to stoke the fire again....
FYI: if Mizzou wins the East again I'm going to be sick.. ??
I don't want Ward as HC.... unless he becomes a defensive-savant by next season and that defense improves drastically.
All in all, we learned a valuable lesson this season..... We've learned that SC hasn't "arrived" yet and we can't rest on our laurels. It's time to stoke the fire again....
FYI: if Mizzou wins the East again I'm going to be sick.. ??
Posted on 10/10/14 at 8:52 pm to Cockopotamus
I think Joe may be reading the writing on the wall. It's safe to say the Robinsons are laying low.
I know more ... but can't really say but yeah, the house thing, a lot of people are talking about that. That and maybe Abby is preparing all of her friends in advance as well.
I know more ... but can't really say but yeah, the house thing, a lot of people are talking about that. That and maybe Abby is preparing all of her friends in advance as well.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 8:59 pm to DorchesterGamecock
Well, I do know that a very serious meeting took place between the HBC and his DC and it trickled down to a couple of assistants.
One of those, "get it right, here's the improvements that we must see, or here are the consequences. We've got too much talent for this to be happening - we must see improvement." ... type meetings.
It got very real over there this week. A "no one is safe" kind of "real."
Everyone was told to go home and refocus and get their heads on straight because no more melts are allowed.
Some players are on the hot seat too.
One of those, "get it right, here's the improvements that we must see, or here are the consequences. We've got too much talent for this to be happening - we must see improvement." ... type meetings.
It got very real over there this week. A "no one is safe" kind of "real."
Everyone was told to go home and refocus and get their heads on straight because no more melts are allowed.
Some players are on the hot seat too.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 10:02 pm to scrooster
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One of those, "get it right, here's the improvements that we must see, or here are the consequences. We've got too much talent for this to be happening - we must see improvement." ... type meetings.
Do we really have the talent ton defense though? Not getting 3 of the CBs in until fall camp hurt and only getting Blake McClain on the dline line was even more detrimental because hes not gonna play this year.
I think the issues on defense are mostly due to personnel problems
Posted on 10/11/14 at 12:15 am to Cockopotamus
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Do we really have the talent ton defense though? Not getting 3 of the CBs in until fall camp hurt and only getting Blake McClain on the dline line was even more detrimental because hes not gonna play this year.
I think the issues on defense are mostly due to personnel problems
If we're strictly talking DBs ... then no. But everyone knew that going-in. The LBs and DLine was supposed to take-up the slack.
Our secondary was not the reason we lost to Mizzou or Kentucky.
Now - coaches have Ben blamming it on assignment football since the A&M game but after this week we're not gonna hear that excuse in the press conferences anymore. No more "assignment" excuses. The HBC doesn't want to hear it anymore.
No more lack of effort. No more inexperience. No more missed assignments. It's all on the coaches coachin'em-up from here on out.
Posted on 10/11/14 at 6:11 am to Cockopotamus
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I think the issues on defense are mostly due to personnel problems
Thats not what I have seen for the past two weeks though, what I have seen looks similar to a JV football team trying to tackle D1 players. That is not as much of a personnel problem as it is a coaching issue. One on one arm tackling, not swarming to the ball, not persueing at good angles, gap control problems... these are small fry football lessons.
Posted on 10/11/14 at 1:19 pm to scrooster
The dline doesn't have the talent either. Sure we have several talented DTs, but DE is a disaster after we couldn't get Wideman, Sawyer or Thomas in.
We don't have a legit pass rusher at DE and it shows because we get zero pressure on the qb. It's easy to point fingers at the secondary and they've had their fair share of mistakes, but it's impossible to defend for 7 seconds, and that's how much time the opposing qbs are getting.
We just don't have the talent to get to the qb this year.
We don't have a legit pass rusher at DE and it shows because we get zero pressure on the qb. It's easy to point fingers at the secondary and they've had their fair share of mistakes, but it's impossible to defend for 7 seconds, and that's how much time the opposing qbs are getting.
We just don't have the talent to get to the qb this year.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 10:05 am to scrooster
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I personally believe Grady Brown is the real week link in the staff right now.
Can I ask why you think this? Just from watching the games it looks like the secondary has progressed rather well, for the most part, as the season has worn on. The few sacks we seem to be getting are mostly coverage sacks. They had as many pass break ups against UK than they had against their first four opponents combined. Meanwhile the LBs have either stagnated from the end of last year or regressed and the DL is kind of a shitshow.
They aren't perfect yet, but they are leaps and bounds ahead of where they were in September. They are still making some inexperienced mistakes here and there, but not nearly as many as others.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 3:05 pm to Loathor
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Can I ask why you think this? Just from watching the games it looks like the secondary has progressed rather well, for the most part, as the season has worn on. The few sacks we seem to be getting are mostly coverage sacks. They had as many pass break ups against UK than they had against their first four opponents combined. Meanwhile the LBs have either stagnated from the end of last year or regressed and the DL is kind of a shitshow.
They aren't perfect yet, but they are leaps and bounds ahead of where they were in September. They are still making some inexperienced mistakes here and there, but not nearly as many as others.
Failure to keep a solid secondary in transition and flowing ... put us in a precarious position this year, and still very very fragile back there.
Last year's class and this coming 2015 class of DBs may get us back on track as DB-U, but he almost let it slip away by not properly managing the ones he had.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 4:00 pm to scrooster
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Failure to keep a solid secondary in transition and flowing ... put us in a precarious position this year, and still very very fragile back there.
Last year's class and this coming 2015 class of DBs may get us back on track as DB-U, but he almost let it slip away by not properly managing the ones he had.
I always assumed this was more of the recruiting coordinators job
Posted on 10/13/14 at 12:29 pm to Cockopotamus
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I always assumed this was more of the recruiting coordinators job
Me too
Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:21 pm to Cockopotamus
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I always assumed this was more of the recruiting coordinators job
It's the job of each position coach to identify their needs based upon how they project their depth chart into a two-season future.
Of course, there needs are often obvious to everyone - but where they become no-so-obvious are in cases where there may be attitude issues, or academic problems, or homesick problems, or a desire to leave-early problems, etc., etc., etc.
So once these needs are identified, and understand, these have to be projected like a P&L statement over a given period of time ... then the recruiting coordinator boards the needs and begins to look for the best available prospects at each position with the understanding that some athletes might be moved from one position to another during the process.
Grady failed to keep Christian here, failed to keep Hampton here, (although there is some debate as to whether or not Hampton would have stayed even had someone put a gun to his head), and failed to prepare for the losses in the secondary dating back to the 2011 and 2012 seasons. More succinctly, he should have been preparing for this in 2011, even 2012 at the worst. Not wait for the 2014 class to bail us out.
But there are some other performance issues with Grady too ... lately. They've been muted in recent seasons thanks to our strong pass rush and defensive line play, but from what I am hearing they are becoming far more apparent to the film-watchers now that the secondary is having to stand on its own to some degree. Assignment issues. Fundamentals issues. Confidence issues. Recognition issues.
And Grady hasn't exactly been a great recruiter ... he's bagged a few but he's missed on far more.
These days the assistants, the position coaches, are as much upper level management as they are teachers of skills ... but they have to be very good at both. You must be a really very special skills coach if you are going to be excused from being a great recruiter and personnel manager as well.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 2:49 pm to scrooster
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It's the job of each position coach to identify their needs based upon how they project their depth chart into a two-season future.
Of course, there needs are often obvious to everyone - but where they become no-so-obvious are in cases where there may be attitude issues, or academic problems, or homesick problems, or a desire to leave-early problems, etc., etc., etc.
So once these needs are identified, and understand, these have to be projected like a P&L statement over a given period of time ... then the recruiting coordinator boards the needs and begins to look for the best available prospects at each position with the understanding that some athletes might be moved from one position to another during the process.
Grady failed to keep Christian here, failed to keep Hampton here, (although there is some debate as to whether or not Hampton would have stayed even had someone put a gun to his head), and failed to prepare for the losses in the secondary dating back to the 2011 and 2012 seasons. More succinctly, he should have been preparing for this in 2011, even 2012 at the worst. Not wait for the 2014 class to bail us out.
But there are some other performance issues with Grady too ... lately. They've been muted in recent seasons thanks to our strong pass rush and defensive line play, but from what I am hearing they are becoming far more apparent to the film-watchers now that the secondary is having to stand on its own to some degree. Assignment issues. Fundamentals issues. Confidence issues. Recognition issues.
And Grady hasn't exactly been a great recruiter ... he's bagged a few but he's missed on far more.
These days the assistants, the position coaches, are as much upper level management as they are teachers of skills ... but they have to be very good at both. You must be a really very special skills coach if you are going to be excused from being a great recruiter and personnel manager as well.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but my perspective is different.
Grady was hired in Feb of 2012. So the '11 and '12 DB classes weren't his fault. In '13 he got Skai Moore to flip to SC, who's been consistently one of our best defenders for 2 seasons. Last year he got three 4* DB's, and we all knew the pass defense was going to suck b/c we were going to throw these young guys in the trial by fire.
During the '12 and '13 season, our pass defense was good, Legree and Hampton were older players who new what they were doing (and we had a pass rush.) Now in the '14 season, we have NO pass rush and a bunch of FR playing corner.
Our shitty pass defense situation, IMO, has little to do with Grady, as compared to the shitty DB depth situation he walked into in '12. We had A LOT of DB recruits in -08-'09. We didn't think it was a need in '11 and we just did a poor job in '12 with recruiting DB's.
The same goes for the DL (specifically DE position.) None of these kids wanted to play behind Clowney and everybody knew they couldn't beat him out for a starting spot. Now he's gone and look we almost had 4-5 highly ranked DE's commit last year (none qualified) and we'll have the same this year (but hopefully they'll qualify.)
For the most part, I thought the pass defense has gotten better this season. It's just taking time and experience for these FR to figure this out. Next year, when the pass rushers get here, I think we'll be back up into the top half of the SEC in pass defense.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 3:29 pm to CockInYourEar
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I'm not saying you're wrong, but my perspective is different.
Grady was hired in Feb of 2012. So the '11 and '12 DB classes weren't his fault. In '13 he got Skai Moore to flip to SC, who's been consistently one of our best defenders for 2 seasons. Last year he got three 4* DB's, and we all knew the pass defense was going to suck b/c we were going to throw these young guys in the trial by fire.
During the '12 and '13 season, our pass defense was good, Legree and Hampton were older players who new what they were doing (and we had a pass rush.) Now in the '14 season, we have NO pass rush and a bunch of FR playing corner.
Our shitty pass defense situation, IMO, has little to do with Grady, as compared to the shitty DB depth situation he walked into in '12. We had A LOT of DB recruits in -08-'09. We didn't think it was a need in '11 and we just did a poor job in '12 with recruiting DB's.
The same goes for the DL (specifically DE position.) None of these kids wanted to play behind Clowney and everybody knew they couldn't beat him out for a starting spot. Now he's gone and look we almost had 4-5 highly ranked DE's commit last year (none qualified) and we'll have the same this year (but hopefully they'll qualify.)
For the most part, I thought the pass defense has gotten better this season. It's just taking time and experience for these FR to figure this out. Next year, when the pass rushers get here, I think we'll be back up into the top half of the SEC in pass defense.
Oh absolutely, when you put it that way I completely understand your perspective, and I'm glad you brought some of that to light because it makes sense.
Now, the next question is, do you remember who that DB coach was in 2011? There were two secondary coaches that year .... Whammy coached the Corners and Jeep Hunter coached the safeties. I believe
Whammy had taken-over the DBs after Beamer bailed on us the year before to go coach with his Dad.
So let's look at the Secondary lineage of coaches in say, what, the past six or seven seasons?
I'm going by memory here so help me if you will.
2012-Present - Grady Brown
2011 - Whammy (CBs) and Hunter (Safeties)
09,10 - Beamer (CBs) and Whammy (Safeties)
07-08 - Beamer (CBs) Ron Cooper (Safeties)
Grady also has, on his resume since he arrived, "Assistant Special Teams Coordinator," but few people realize that. Joe Rob takes all the heat for ST.
So Whammy has been directly involved with the secondary since 2009 ... when he arrived and was specifically hired as a secondary coach. Remember, Ward played in the secondary for Bama in the 80s.
Matter of fact, before Beamer left if I remember correctly, EJ sent Beamer to work part time with the LBs and he had Ward pretty-much coaching the entire secondary by himself.
So you're right, perhaps more of the blame for how the secondary sits right now should be heaped on Ward rather than Brown.
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