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Posted on 5/1/18 at 3:16 pm
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 5/1/18 at 3:16 pm
Rumors flying around everywhere that Brad may be thinking of returning in some role or another. I think most of it was spurred by Ellis Johnson's recent comments ... which I take with a grain of salt.

I'm not sold on Brad's return for a couple of reasons ... not the least of which is knowing the reasons, on both sides, why he left when he did.

Have not spoken to Brad in years but I may try to track him down.

In the meantime a look at the Pros and Cons.

Pros

He is a good DLine coach.
He is a good recruiter.
He knows the schools (after two stints here) and knows the area.

Cons

Potential clash with Lance Romance ... they are very much alike.
Not the personality type to work under Muschamp ... regardless of his stint under Saban at Michigan State. (Remember, Saban didn't take him with him to LSU and he eventually landed at UNC for one year.)
He could only be hired as an analyst this late in the game ... possibly as a back-up if Lance were to leave?
He would not be allowed to hands-on coach a single player.
He would not be allowed to recruit.

What are your thoughts?
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
Cullman, AL
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 5/1/18 at 3:28 pm to
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He would not be allowed to hands-on coach a single player. He would not be allowed to recruit.


If that is the case whats the reasoning?

Keep him around because someone will be leaving at the end of the season and we want him here?


I don't have the insights on these guys you do but this is all I need to know to want the guy
He is a good DLine coach.
He is a good recruiter.
He knows the schools
Posted by CarolinaGamecock99
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 5/1/18 at 3:33 pm to
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Pros: good recruiting
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Cons: not allowed to recruit

This post was edited on 5/1/18 at 3:35 pm
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 5/1/18 at 4:52 pm to
Well ... that is kind of funny but it's probably why he will eventually land somewhere else as a DLine coach IMHO.

As far as him being a good recruiter - here - in an advisory role ... he would be hard-pressed to offer any advice to anyone on this staff in terms of personal relationships with prospects. This staff is pretty strong from top to bottom.

What he might be able to bring to the table is his ability to evaluate - based on film. But even then Muschamp has his own methodology in place and he doesn't take kindly to anyone coming-in and telling him he needs to do it differently .... which is what I heard kept Johnson from having his contract renewed.

Bottom line to me is that EJ started this rumor ... now, he may know something we do not know but I take everything EJ says with a grain of salt at this point. Highly overrated as a coach IMHO and one of the biggest shithook egocentrics I have ever personally met or attempted to have a conversation with ... you can never get a word in edgewise with the guy.

Few probably are aware of, or remember, how he trashed SC fans on Teddy Heffner's show after he went to So Miss. Heffner, dishonesty asked him to comment on some BS claim that SC fans were poo pooing Stephon Gilmore as a big time NFL prospect ... to which Johnson said something along the lines of SC fans are idiots.

It was a case of the pyromaniac stoking the fire and they both reveled in taking the totally fabricated and unnecessary shot at SC fans as a whole.

Expect more of the same if EJ lands a $20 gig cohosting that morning show with Heffner and Rick Sanford. I was always surprised that Muschamp hired Johnson as an analyst. Was not surprised when his contract was not renewed although, I hear the talking points are that Muschamp wants to go with a younger guy that he can train and bring-up over time. Build loyalty and teach a younger guy how to do it the Muschamp way.

As far as Lawing goes ... Brad is a good guy. Always liked him, was a wild man in the day. But our program is going in a different direction now and Brad may be close to being past his prime .... otherwise someone would had gobbled-him-up, like Tennessee for instance, or USF even or Kiffin would have hired him down at FIU.

Something is up there.

Now, might Muschamp have some knowledge of possibly losing one of his DLine coaches even after signing them to three year deals?

The fact that all their buyouts were dropped is telling.

Maybe Lance goes after this coming season? Maybe T-Rob gets a shot at a HC gig? Maybe Mullen gets his wish and lures Peterson back to his alma mater?

I dunno. If any of those things happen, or are going to happen ... then yeah, maybe Lawing gets hired as a coach in waiting doing analyst work until the time comes.

With that said, if Lawing is brought-in then that's writing on the wall any way we look at it. That's not a paper tiger, that's writing on the wall plain and simple.

If Lawing is not brought-in then EJ is once again just blowing hot air, pissed off that his contract wasn't renewed and trying to throw a wrench in the gears. I give that much more probability given EJ's closing comments about not enjoying his second year here. That confirms what I had heard that Muschamp was up his arse and very demanding of him (as he is with everyone) and Johnson failed to deliver.

Would Lawing fair any better?

I tend to doubt it. Muschamp is not an easy man to work for ... and trust me, that is an understatement. If you do jot have seriously thick skin and if you are not damn near a football genius then you need not apply because he will expose your weaknesses and make you quit and you'll walk away butthurt and seriously doubting your self worth.

The guy is brutal and I really doubt Brad Lawing, given all the other issues involved, is at the age and stage in his life or career where he could handle working for Muschamp.

I once had a well known coach ask me what I thought about taking a certain job .... and I told him, were I him I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. He thanked me recently after seeing three different coaches fail who took the job in the past eleven years.

If I talk to Brad ... I'll tell him the same thing. Don't even think about it for the money they would offer. You would not come out of it in a better place IMHO UNLESS there are bigger plans awaiting, like a coach in waiting possibility and a lot of money.

Still, as I typed above, if he is hired ... then take it as writing on the wall.

I'll believe it when I see it.

I was dead wrong about them hiring mUSChamp and, in retrospect, I'm glad I was. So take my diatribe fwiw. I'm not a big fan of EJ's and I'm shocked he threw those parting comments out there ... but hyenas don't change their spots.
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
Cullman, AL
Member since Jul 2011
54846 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 7:05 am to
Sorry to seem like a dick but a whole lotta TLDR for me.

But just 2 questions.

Is he using us as a stepping stone to get somewhere else next year?

and/or

Is their a chance he can be on staff next year not as an analyst?
Posted by UpstateCock2007
Columbia, SC
Member since Mar 2009
7744 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:16 am to
Lance sold his house in Columbia, FWIW.
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
Cullman, AL
Member since Jul 2011
54846 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:32 am to
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Lance sold his house in Columbia, FWIW.



hmmmm
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 10:16 am to
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Lance sold his house in Columbia, FWIW.


Welp ... that's probably more writing on the wall. Maybe we do hire Lawing. Maybe Boom does bring him back like he did Eric.
Posted by lungbuster06
Member since Dec 2014
739 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 10:36 am to
I definitely think it was a proactive move from Boom in removing DE from Lance's coaching duties. I just hope IF Lance is done and Lawing is hired, it won't upset the recruiting flow with the guys we're on right now. Heck, maybe Lawing's creds would help it some.
Posted by UpstateCock2007
Columbia, SC
Member since Mar 2009
7744 posts
Posted on 5/3/18 at 7:36 am to
I don't think that Lance is going anywhere before this coming season, not this late in the game. But I definitely could see him hitting the road in December.
Posted by GameCocky88
Mount Pleasant, SC
Member since Dec 2015
4837 posts
Posted on 5/3/18 at 8:08 am to
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I hear the talking points are that Muschamp wants to go with a younger guy that he can train and bring-up over time. Build loyalty and teach a younger guy how to do it the Muschamp way.



Hell, that's how Belichik did it when he first started out in Cleveland. Got young hungry guys who had zero knowledge or experience and taught them exactly what he wanted them to do and how he wanted them to do it. A lot of those guys ended up on superbowl staffs when the franchise moved to Baltimore or on his staff when he was handed the reigns in Boston. Hell I even hear he had a pretty good DC up there at the time. Name of Saban, I believe.

EDIT: Thats not to say his coordinators/position guys were clueless like Saban and Newsome and the like. The grunts underneath them like the position rooster is talking about were those types of guys.
This post was edited on 5/3/18 at 8:14 am
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
Cullman, AL
Member since Jul 2011
54846 posts
Posted on 5/3/18 at 8:27 am to
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Hell, that's how Belichik did it when he first started out in Cleveland.


You can trace that back to his Mentor Bill Parcells who did it to him (and other well known/successful coaches)

We can only hope that Saban is to Muschamp as Bill was to Bill.
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