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Posted on 7/27/14 at 7:58 pm to
Posted by CockInYourEar
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Posted on 7/27/14 at 7:58 pm to
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Are both Durant and Lewis going to be here in December?


Yes, hopefully. they are both scheduled to be here in December to count back to last year's numbers.
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
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Posted on 7/27/14 at 8:00 pm to
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Finally got access. Just wanted to give you guys some information on Mon Denson. I went to LaGrange high and actually played three years with Mon. I actually spoke to him shortly after you guys offered him and he said you guys are his leader already, he really loved USC and everything about it. As far as playing abilities, I truly believe this kid has All-American potential. He is a stud on the track and actually did quite well at state last year. He bounces off just about every first couple tacklers that come on him. He really reminds me Melvin Gordon for Wisconsin with a little more speed. The only way to really describe him as far as safety is concerned is that he is a head hunter. He takes joy in hitting guys. But the main thing about Mon that separates him from the rest is that he is a true leader. When he was a freshman we had some other D1 guys on the team but he was automatically the leader on the team both vocally and out on the field. He will always have his teammates backs, for example we actually got into a brawl this season and Mon pretty much drug one kid on Thompson up and down the field. But you guys will definitely get a stud if you pull it off, just watch out if UGA offers. He's a huge fan. Hope you guys appreciate the information and Go Dawgs.


Great info, thanks. What events did he compete in when he ran track? 100m? Hurdles?
Posted by RunLindsayRun
LaGrange | Athens
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 7/27/14 at 11:41 pm to
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Great info, thanks. What events did he compete in when he ran track? 100m? Hurdles?


I believe 100m and the 4 x 100.
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
22458 posts
Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:43 am to
Free article from Scout.

https://southcarolina.scout.com/story/1426825-sandifer-top-3-neck-and-neck?s=184

quote:

Scout three-star Brandon Sandifer attended South Carolina’s camp this past weekend and says he will most likely be making a decision within the next week or two.
The class of 2015 prospect admits Florida, South Carolina, and Alabama are all in the running, and he’ll need some time to sort through his thoughts. “They’re all pretty neck-and-neck,” Sandifer said.
As far as the decision-making process, Sandifer says there are a few things to factor in.
“Position depth, how many players at the position, little things like that.”


Interesting. I thought gamecockanthem.com 'died' However, really like their page new layout and navigation features.

Also, it looks like Sandifer has committable offers from UF and Bama.
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
22458 posts
Posted on 7/28/14 at 5:59 pm to
Mon Denson is announcing tomorrow at 2 p.m. Final 5 of SC, UNC, Tenn, Ark and Wisc. We should be the favorite here. He just visited this weekend, a bunch of CB's just came in and we're his best offer at of those 5 options.
Posted by ConwayGamecock
South Carolina
Member since Jan 2012
9121 posts
Posted on 7/28/14 at 8:12 pm to
It's still dead....they finally got a new site publisher, and he is trying hard to pump life back into it. The new layout is across-board for all scout forums. But if you check the forum posting activity for GamecockAnthem, to say it's on life-support is delusionally optimistic. I think 99% of the posts are admin-generated, and there's very few "views" of the threads, meaning that there's hardly even lurkers there these days.

Sad how that site went belly-up, but it was pretty deserved, IMO...
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
22458 posts
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:15 pm to
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It's still dead....they finally got a new site publisher, and he is trying hard to pump life back into it. The new layout is across-board for all scout forums. But if you check the forum posting activity for GamecockAnthem, to say it's on life-support is delusionally optimistic. I think 99% of the posts are admin-generated, and there's very few "views" of the threads, meaning that there's hardly even lurkers there these days.

Sad how that site went belly-up, but it was pretty deserved, IMO...


meh, it's the nature of the beast. They let that site die. However, the bones are there, that layout and now that Scout is backed by Fox...they could revive that, but it's going to be hard. They'll either have to pull members from Rivals or 247 or find a way to generate new members.

Another thing they could do is focus on gaining revenue a new way. Outside of membership, what if they charged a fee per story per non-member. So maybe a guy who didn't want to spend $100 a year or $10 a month, but wanted to read 1 or 2 breaking stories on there a month could pay $1 a piece?

Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
22458 posts
Posted on 7/28/14 at 9:24 pm to
Brandon Sandifer said tonight that his announcement is coming really soon. No date/time set, but I would believe it's coming within a week.
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
22458 posts
Posted on 7/28/14 at 10:11 pm to
Damon Arnette visted ohio st this past weekend. He was named as one of their top Def performers at the camp. The position coach and Def Coord there firmed up their offer with him and said they weren't going to stop recruiting him. He said he would take an OV there, as well as SC. However, he said he's still 100% with SC.
Posted by ConwayGamecock
South Carolina
Member since Jan 2012
9121 posts
Posted on 7/28/14 at 11:45 pm to
quote:

Brandon Sandifer said tonight that his announcement is coming really soon. No date/time set, but I would believe it's coming within a week.



We could have 3-4 commitments, PLUS finally some good OFFICIAL news about Green and Lammons by the end of this week.

And add to that the start of fall FB camp....


Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
22458 posts
Posted on 7/29/14 at 2:20 pm to
Mon Denson Committed! This is the RB I was hoping for. I figured Frasier wasn't interested and out of Shaw, Williams, Cronkite and Denson, Mon was the biggest/fastest.


Today, shortly after Mon committed, Ty'Son Williams committed to unc. That guy just got QD'd Good luck to him, hope he has as successful a career.



Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
22458 posts
Posted on 7/29/14 at 8:30 pm to
Here are the projected Early Enrollees

Clark
Nunez
Lewis
Durant
Wideman (needs to enroll in Prep and then not mess up.)
Palmer
Alexander

So that's 7 EE's. 5 Count back to last year's class. With Wideman we would be at 23 commits now. This means I think we can sign 7 more without processing any.

I think our final targets (as of right now)
OG/OT Bailey
OG Sandifer
OT Pellage
DB Carlton Davis
LB Caban
DB D Davis

and then we'll see if anything happens and we're more than just an outside chance with:
Huggins
Scarlett
Frasier
Burrell
Merrick
and some DT we haven't talked about.
Posted by Loathor
Columbia, SC
Member since Jun 2012
2369 posts
Posted on 7/30/14 at 12:06 pm to
I'd be happy with a couple of those OL and a random DT and call it a day. I could see us adding one of the Davis if something bizarre happens in our DB ranks, but they aren't really that much of a need any longer. Caban would just be frosting.

Those long shots are just that. I'm not going to get my hopes up with every change of direction they have for the next seven months.
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
22458 posts
Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:43 pm to
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Here are the projected Early Enrollees

Clark
Nunez
Lewis
Durant
Wideman (needs to enroll in Prep and then not mess up.)
Palmer
Alexander

So that's 7 EE's. 5 Count back to last year's class. With Wideman we would be at 23 commits now. This means I think we can sign 7 more without processing any.


Found out that the 5 limit is not true, we can count back as many as it takes to get to our 85 total scholarship limit.

When Practice starts Friday, we'll have 77 guys on scholarship. This December we'll be able to have 8 EE's count back, which would get us to the 85.

I found a link to explain this aspect of the NCAA Bylaws.

https://www.catalogsgate.com/gamerules/2014_NCAA_Division_Manual/files/assets/basic-html/page221.html

Now that we know this, the answer to how many guys can we recruit/sign his cycle is 33. Up to 25 for the new cycle, who will sign LOI's in February and up to 8 EE's will count to '14's cycle.

https://southcarolina.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=1017&CID=646864#sthash.AuhVofXd.dpbs
This post was edited on 7/30/14 at 9:10 pm
Posted by Cockopotamus
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:57 pm to
Joe Blue didn't make it in, so I think we'll have 79 scholarship players when fall camp starts Friday.

So the number previous years 25 cap (or 22 for our 2014 class) doesn't matter when counting back EE, only the overall scholarship players?
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
22458 posts
Posted on 7/30/14 at 9:07 pm to
quote:

oe Blue didn't make it in, so I think we'll have 79 scholarship players when fall camp starts Friday.

So the number previous years 25 cap (or 22 for our 2014 class) doesn't matter when counting back EE, only the overall scholarship players?


I'm not gonna lie, I nerd'ed out over this since we talked about it a couple hours ago. Finding that link to the rule took the longest. I actually searched the NCAA Legal database 1st (not as user friendly as I was hoping), but that was taking too long so I tried creative google searches.

The 22 class/82 total cap won't matter for counting back b/c I couldn't find any restriction for counting back based on past penalties. It only refers to the 85 limit. So we're gonna Vol this and if the rule isn't specifically written that we can't do it that way, we're gonna do it.

Check out that last link I posted with gamecockcentral's scholarship break down. It says we are at 80, but it has Smalls, Blue, and Wideman on it. If you take them off, ser are at 77...frick, I need to edit my post before. That means we can count 8 EE's back.
Posted by Cockopotamus
Member since Jan 2013
15737 posts
Posted on 7/30/14 at 11:53 pm to
Great work.

Really appreciate the info. I would have contributed to a kickstarter campaign
Posted by ConwayGamecock
South Carolina
Member since Jan 2012
9121 posts
Posted on 7/31/14 at 2:19 am to
quote:

Found out that the 5 limit is not true, we can count back as many as it takes to get to our 85 total scholarship limit.

When Practice starts Friday, we'll have 77 guys on scholarship. This December we'll be able to have 8 EE's count back, which would get us to the 85.

I found a link to explain this aspect of the NCAA Bylaws.

https://www.catalogsgate.com/gamerules/2014_NCAA_Division_Manual/files/assets/basic-html/page221.html

Now that we know this, the answer to how many guys can we recruit/sign his cycle is 33. Up to 25 for the new cycle, who will sign LOI's in February and up to 8 EE's will count to '14's cycle.

https://southcarolina.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=1017&CID=646864#sthash.AuhVofXd.dpbs




Great work there: I didn't see this earlier, but everyone refers to UT's 2014 class of a high number, and the "loopholes" they found to get such a high number of prospects in. As you said, IMO the final brick wall regarding Early-Enrollees and "back-counting" have to do with 25 scholarship prospects per class, and 85 scholarship student-athletes in the program per fiscal year.

Before the big brouhaha concerning Tennessee, UGA already dealt with this issue. Here were their classes in recent years:

2011: 26 commitments
2012: 19 commitments
2013: 33 commitments

Apparently some of UGA's 26 commitments in their '11 class didn't make it in: either went to prep or JUCO. They had 3 EEs in their '12 class, with 2 of them counting back to the '11 class, so they ultimately got in 23 of those 26, apparently. The '12 class was small due to several recruits they targeted choosing to go elsewhere. So they had a HUGE class of 33 commitments in 2013. The Atlanta-Journal Constitution had an article about how they could do it:

LINK

quote:

How can UGA sign 30-35 recruits under the SEC’s new over-signing rules?

6:26 pm December 23, 2012, by Michael Carvell

Last year, the SEC passed new rules on “over-signing,” including an annual 25-man limit for conference teams.

This year, UGA coach Mark Richt told the AJC that he expects to finish with a recruiting class of between 30-35 players. The Bulldogs already have 30 commitments for 2013, with at least a couple of more targets on both sides of the ball.

How can that be? How can UGA sign 30-35 if there’s a new rule with a 25-man limit?

“Early enrollees.”

The recruiting term will soon, if it’s not already, be as famous as over-signing, which is defined as a college team signing more recruits than they have scholarships available. Over-signing was made famous by coaches like Houston Nutt and Nick Saban.

Early enrollees is the loophole when the SEC talked tough and passed the over-signing rules last year. What are they? Early enrollees are recruits from high school, prep school or junior college that can complete college entrance requirements by midyear (or graduate early) and enroll at a four-year college in January. In some sense, it’s a reward for both the college and the recruits they target for taking care of work early in the classroom.

What’s the big deal about that? If a recruit can enroll early, then he can be “back-counted” toward the previous year’s recruiting class – if the college finished with under 25 signees in that previous year. Note: You must also stay below the overall roster limit of 85 players, too. This is how UGA will finish with a recruiting class of 30-35, even though all of them won’t count toward the 2013 numbers.

Let’s talk a closer look at UGA’s situation:

Last year, UGA had a lot of momentum and success until signing day, when it missed on numerous targets. The Bulldogs finished with a much smaller class than they or anybody else expected at 19. Out of that group of 19, two failed to meet NCAA academic requirements. That knocks it down to 17. And then three other recruits enrolled early, with two “back-counted” toward the 2011 numbers.

So the final tally for UGA’s 2012 class was 15 signees, 10 spots under the SEC’s new 25-man limit. Some jokingly called it “under-signing.”

This year, UGA has 30 commitments and may finish with 35.

Out of the 30 commits, at least 17 have said that they intend to enroll early and begin taking classes at UGA for spring semester on Jan. 7.

Now whether all 17 make it or not is unknown. According to now-former UGA recruiting coordinator Rodney Garner earlier this week, each recruit has to be approved by the school president and admissions committee, and all of them had yet to be approved – whether it’s due to academics, waiting on test scores, delayed paperwork or for whatever reasons. A lot of that will unfold in the next 10 days.

While UGA would love to have all 17, it’s really counting on 10. That’s the magic number because that’s the maximum the Bulldogs can “back-count” toward the 2012 class, which currently has 15 signees, to max out with 25.

If at least 10 are early enrollees, UGA can quickly compensate for last year’s small class and add much-needed team depth with a super-sized signing class — perfectly legal under SEC rules.

What if 17 make it? What about the other seven? The other seven, even though they are early enrollees, they will count toward 2013’s regular 25-man limit.

Early enrollees are the hottest thing in recruiting. They’re not new, as some have pointed out below. But it is new for so many schools to to use them in this magnitude. UGA had only three early enrollees last year and two in 2011, before blowing the doors off with 17 potential EE’s this year.

UGA is not the only SEC school taking advantage of this new rule, with both Florida and Alabama expecting around 8-10 early enrollees each.

And a memo to high school freshmen, sophomores and juniors: If you really want to play D1 football, you will triple your marketability to colleges if you do well enough with your academics to be an early enrollee as a senior.


This sounds essentially just like our situation for our 2015 class....
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
22458 posts
Posted on 7/31/14 at 7:48 am to
quote:

This sounds essentially just like our situation for our 2015 class...


It is very similar. Just so I can write it down to help visualize hoe the 2015 class is going to look with the 2014 non qualifiers:

We have 77 guys on scholarship at this time. We will be able to count back 8 scholarships for Early Enrollees this Dec/January, which will keep us at that NCAA 85 scholarship limit. That would mean we can take up to 33 players this class (25"new" + 8 "EE/Count Back" = 33)

We have 25 commitments right now for the '15 class (including '14's NQ Sawyer who will be here as early as Summer I next year.)

Ritchie DNQ and he's going to GMC JUCO, won't be a part of '15.
Wideman is going to Prep, should be here in January as an EE.
Blue is going to Prep IF his appeal doesn't work, should be here in January. Unless he's pissed and goes elsewhere.
Smalls DNQ and is thought to be a Prep candidate, so he may be here in January as an EE.

So in a best case scenario, we add Blue, WIdeman & Smalls to the '15 class giving us 28 recruits.

That would mean we could add 5 new players beside the 3 DNQ's from yesterday.

I think our final realistic targets (as of right now)
OG/OT Bailey
OG Sandifer
OT Pellage
DB Carlton Davis
LB Caban
DB D Davis

and then we'll see if anything happens and we're more than just an outside chance with:
Huggins
Scarlett
Frasier
Burrell
Merrick
and some DT we haven't talked about.

The EE Candidates are:
Clark
Nunez
Lewis
Durant
Palmer
Alexander
Wideman (needs to enroll in Prep and then not mess up.)
Blue
Smalls
All 9 can EE, but only 8 will be Counted Back to last year's scholarships.

SO, if those DNQ's go to Prep and can EE in January, I think this class will include:
OG/OT Bailey
OG Sandifer
OT Pellage
DB Carlton Davis
LB Caban

and then we call it a cycle with 33 total.

As it stands now, that would give us a 247 class ranking just under 260 pts (IF those realistic targets committed), which is typically good for a #10-#12 ranked class. HOWEVER, once the re rankings are done there are going to be some changes, and I think we'll end up with a class ranked closer to #6-#8.

Those re-rankings are:
-Scout screwed Sawyer's ranking in the Composite, it will be fixed, he'll be closer to a .9300+ in the 247Comp.
-Denson is going to get bumped to a 4* on all sites if he performs like last year =, so .9000+
-Palmer, Pittman, Milton and Arnette are solid candidate to also get rating bumps. Blackshear could also be bumped back up to 5* status.
-When we add Wideman to this class, he will be a HIGH 4*.
-If Turner was going to be bumped, it would've happened after The Opening, but he has a shot as well.

All in all, I think our final 247 Class Rating will be around a 267(low) - to a 274 (high) which would be good enough for #6-#8.

If some long shot surprises happened (Huggins, Frasier or Scarlett, Burrell or some massive positive re-rankings for us,) we could move up even higher into the Top 5.
I ran a sim on the 247 Class Calculator for fun to assume we got Huggins, Burrell, Scarlett, Bailey and Caban. It would push us up to almost 275 pts right now. Then with the re-rankings. I think are coming, we would be closer to 280+ pts, which would push our class ranking into the Top 5.


This is all assuming class rankings and stars really matter.

Obviously they matter some, but not always, we've finished the years ranked MUCH higher than our recruiting class rankings for the past 6 years.
This post was edited on 7/31/14 at 8:07 am
Posted by BloodSweat&Beers
One Particular Harbor, Fl
Member since Jan 2012
9153 posts
Posted on 8/4/14 at 9:57 am to
quote:

Also, it looks like Sandifer has committable offers from UF and Bama.


I don't think Sandifer is UF's top target at OG but I am sure he is a take. IIRC UF's OL coach Summers spent a ton of time with him during UF's Friday Night Lights

I think Merrick and Burrell are higher on the board for UF.
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