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Posted on 5/7/24 at 2:54 pm to Robot Santa
Posted on 5/7/24 at 2:54 pm to Robot Santa
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Yeah Pickiell is basically Anthony Grant
Well you say that
Behold the WORST offense under Anthony Grant (2013) compared to 2024 Rutgers
Kenpom Offensive Efficiency:
2013 Bama: 141st
Rutgers 300th
3pt% Made:
Bama: 212th
Rutgers: 349th
Effective Field Goal Rating:
Bama: 208th
Rutgers: 357th
2pt% Made:
Bama: 186th
Rutgers: 354th
Rutgers last year made an Anthony Grant offense look like the Showtime Lakers
This post was edited on 5/7/24 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 5/7/24 at 3:36 pm to Glorious
Just came across this feature on Big Cliff and the journey he took to get to where he is. It looks like we got both a good player and person.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 3:59 pm to Glorious
The rabbit hole gets deeper
In 2022, Rutgers had a top 100 offense. The only time in Cliff’s career. Cliff’s shooting was 10% higher and his numbers were better across the board. Here are Cliff’s 2022 numbers compared to an elite SEC Center last year
Cliff
11.9 ppg
7.8 rpg
.4 apg
62% field goal
115.2 offensive rating
Elite SEC Center
16.5 ppg
8.5 rpg
2.5 apg
55% field goal
118.5 offensive rating
I’m not saying Cliff is Broome quality on the offensive end because he’s not. But I would be stunned if he his offensive efficiency wasn’t closer to his 2022 form
In 2022, Rutgers had a top 100 offense. The only time in Cliff’s career. Cliff’s shooting was 10% higher and his numbers were better across the board. Here are Cliff’s 2022 numbers compared to an elite SEC Center last year
Cliff
11.9 ppg
7.8 rpg
.4 apg
62% field goal
115.2 offensive rating
Elite SEC Center
16.5 ppg
8.5 rpg
2.5 apg
55% field goal
118.5 offensive rating
I’m not saying Cliff is Broome quality on the offensive end because he’s not. But I would be stunned if he his offensive efficiency wasn’t closer to his 2022 form
This post was edited on 5/7/24 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 5/7/24 at 4:57 pm to Glorious
Cliff's only "negatives" were his back to the basket offensive skills, which are N/A in our offense. On top of that, Rutgers doesn't play in a way that allowed him to use his best traits on offense - rim runs of PnR, quick tucks off PnR, offensive rebounding with space.
He was a very good player at Rutgers and that was in an offense that really didn't play to his skillset at all. I'd be shocked if he isn't a weapon for us on offense, especially in certain games where teams decide to try and defend in a way that gives him more space. He really is a slightly better version of Chuck, and Chuck was a very good player for us.
He was a very good player at Rutgers and that was in an offense that really didn't play to his skillset at all. I'd be shocked if he isn't a weapon for us on offense, especially in certain games where teams decide to try and defend in a way that gives him more space. He really is a slightly better version of Chuck, and Chuck was a very good player for us.
This post was edited on 5/7/24 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 5/7/24 at 4:58 pm to Glorious
We don’t need his offense. We just need him to set good screens, get Offensive boards and putbacks and catch lobs.
And then play great defense
And then play great defense
This post was edited on 5/7/24 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 5/7/24 at 5:02 pm to Temple of the Dog
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especially in certain games where teams decide to try and defend in a way that gives him more space
Posted on 5/7/24 at 5:08 pm to paperwasp
One of the things I noticed in his highlights, and these are against B1G and Big East teams, is how quick a jumper he is and how often he beats guys into the air and dunks. As we know, a lot of bigs sometimes struggle when the ball is below their shoulders to get up to the rim without fumbling. He does not.
He's got insane body control for a guy that long.
He's got insane body control for a guy that long.
This post was edited on 5/7/24 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 5/7/24 at 5:11 pm to Temple of the Dog
In the PnR last year (something he only did 12% of the time, mind blowing) he averaged 1.31 PPP (on a play that never ends in a 3PT, which makes it even more impressive because your max PPP is basically 2.00) and was in the 85th percentile nationally.
He'll now be almost exclusively doing that.
He'll now be almost exclusively doing that.
This post was edited on 5/7/24 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 5/7/24 at 5:15 pm to Temple of the Dog
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One of the things I noticed is how often he beats guys into the air and dunks
Excellent observation. One of my pet peeves is the uncoordinated big who puts it on the floor unnecessarily instead of taking it directly to the basket (Bediako had an issue with this early on).
I hadn't noticed this attribute for Cliff, but now I think I like him even more.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 5:30 pm to Temple of the Dog
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In the PnR last year (something he only did 12% of the time, mind blowing) he averaged 1.31 PPP (on a play that never ends in a 3PT, which makes it even more impressive because your max PPP is basically 2.00) and was in the 85th percentile nationally.
Did they do it more in 2022 by chance?
Posted on 5/7/24 at 5:57 pm to Glorious
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Did they do it more in 2022 by chance?
Not sure - it was a stat that popped up on his detailed advanced metrics video on youtube that somebody does for all the transfers.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 6:03 pm to Temple of the Dog
Details on NIL Tournament are out
CBS Sports - NIL Tournament in Vegas
CBS Sports - NIL Tournament in Vegas
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A one-of-a-kind revolutionary regular-season men's basketball event to be staged later this year in Las Vegas is expected to be finalized in the coming weeks, CBS Sports has learned. Its selling point is based on the major factor that has drastically altered college sports over the past three years: name, image and likeness compensation for players.
Games will be played in November under the umbrella of an event dubbed the "Players Era Festival," which will also include live music and other attractions for fans amid the glitz of the Las Vegas Strip during Thanksgiving week. In a college sports first, the event will also include $1 million NIL payouts for eight participating schools. What's more, players involved will have future earnings opportunities through long-term NIL contracts, sources told CBS Sports.
Alabama, Houston, Notre Dame, Oregon, Rutgers, San Diego State and Texas A&M are all on board, sources said. The eighth and final school for the 2024 event will emerge from a small group that is still being deliberated. The Players Era Festival is not being pitched as a one-year happening, either. Plans are to double the size of the field, sources told CBS Sports, with 16 teams as the target for 2025 and beyond. Duke, Gonzaga, Kansas, Michigan, Syracuse and Virginia have all engaged in discussions about potentially playing in 2025. If they opt in, they'd be joined by most (if not eventually all) of the schools playing in 2024, many of which have already signed up for a three-year agreement, according to sources.
Event organizers are in the final negotiating stages with MGM Resorts International to hold games at any or all of its three major venues: T-Mobile Arena, MGM Grand Garden Arena and Michelob ULTRA Arena. The tentative schedule is to play games on Nov. 26, 27 and 29, with Thanksgiving an off-day. The 2024 format(s) for the eight teams has not been decided. Organizers are still weighing whether to have a single eight-team tournament bracket or two separate four-team multi-team events (MTEs).
The tournament would be unique in that the NIL collective of each participating school would be paid $1 million. Additional significant NIL opportunities (believed to be in the neighborhood of another $1 million) would be awarded exclusively to the winner or winners of the event, depending on the final bracket format(s). The money would then be distributed to athletes by the collectives. The athletes, while in Las Vegas, would be required to participate in multiple off-the-court activities to earn that NIL money. That quid pro quo agreement for NIL money is a key distinction and at the core of the appeal of the festival. Pay-for-play remains against NCAA rules. However, athletes can be paid for NIL work surrounding the actual games, which is the pitch here.
"If there are events where there's an extraordinary amount of money involved, and there's no donor fatigue involved in this, how do you not play in this?" one coach participating in the Players Era Festival told CBS Sports. "There's not a decision we make that's not NIL-driven. I'll play in the parking lot of Mandalay Bay, just clear the f---ing check."
Broadcast rights are yet to be formally secured; the games are expected to be distributed on a streaming service instead of traditional linear television. The event has come under scrutiny and faced backlash from many in the industry because its emergence poses an existential threat to the traditional November/December MTE television model that's become more prominent in college basketball in the past 15 years. Some schools in the 2024 field reneged on previous deals with other MTEs, inviting further discord.
Event organizers have assured all involved that the Players Era Festival will be in line with NCAA rules, sources said.
"We will be very good about making sure this is fully compliant," a source added.
Because the Players Era Festival is aggressively pushing forward in a constantly shifting NIL era of player empowerment — and because it has tens of millions of dollars in private-equity funding — there is skepticism from many in college athletics over its long-term financial viability. Traditionally, even the best MTEs don't have massive profit margins. The highest-profile regular-season events hope to earn $1-2 million in profits. This would also mark a sea change in college basketball due to private equity investments influencing how teams schedule, thus likely affecting how MTEs in the future are operated.
Schools participating, however, see a landscape-altering opportunity at a time when programs are desperate for any fundraising to bolster recruiting prowess and increase their NIL war chests. Consider: many top-end 2024 transfers in the past month have committed to a variety of programs after being promised north of $1 million, sources said.
"I would play on Nick Jr., I would play on YouTube. It doesn't matter," a coach scheduled to play in the event told CBS Sports. "All the other stuff passed through our compliance smell test all the way through. We have not run up against a road block that is a definitive no."
Said another coach in the event: "As long as they get it compliant, our administration is full-go." He later said, "You'd be stupid not to do this if you were invited."
Intersport — a respected/established entity in the sports-event space that annually helps put on the CBS Sports Classic, the Fort Myers Tip-Off and many other events — will be the tournament's operator. Seth Berger is the tournament director. Berger, 56, is a long-time presence in the basketball space. He's a former high school coach in Philadelphia who most notably founded And1. As a prep coach Berger won a state title and coached the likes of former five-star prospects Mohammed Bamba and Cam Reddish. Berger has been the primary recruiter to get teams into the event in 2024 and beyond.
NCAA rules prevent schools from playing in the same MTE more than once in four years; it's why the same high-profile programs aren't in the Maui Invitational in back-to-back years, or even once every three years. As a workaround, organizers of the Players Era Festival are intentionally attempting to break off different MTEs with different names to be played at different Vegas arenas in an effort to bring many of the same teams back for multiple years while technically staging them in separate events.
"We are turning this into what NBA All-Star weekend is for the NBA," one source involved with the event said. "This would be a celebration week for college basketball."
Players will also be eligible to sign on to a 10% equity stake in Players Era in perpetuity, a source said, meaning that college athletes would earn money with the company moving forward, provided that Players Era continues to grow as an asset in the years ahead. EverWonder Studio is aiming to expand its presence in the live-sports space in the coming years.
"The concept is for NIL activities, it's not a one-and-done exchange, it's about long-term value," a source said. The festival is also considering including a financial literacy program for all teams/players involved.
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 6:06 pm to Temple of the Dog
What a disappointing field. Houston is the only other elite team.
Also says all teams in this field have signed a 3year agreement. So this is our MTE for the next 3 years
Also says all teams in this field have signed a 3year agreement. So this is our MTE for the next 3 years
This post was edited on 5/7/24 at 6:10 pm
Posted on 5/7/24 at 6:07 pm to Temple of the Dog
In the highlights i saw they fed the ball into the paint for him some. We wont be doing that but we will be putting him in the PnR. It looks like he has a preference for palming the ball in his right hand and going aggressively to the rim.
Im not sure if he is a huge difference maker compared to Pringle. But the coaches must think so, and thats good enough for me.
Im not sure if he is a huge difference maker compared to Pringle. But the coaches must think so, and thats good enough for me.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 6:08 pm to mistaken4193
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What a disappointing field. Houston is the only other elite team.
Considering we got Creighton, Arizona and probably Illinois (plus Carolina/Duke) in addition to this tournament, I'm good
Posted on 5/7/24 at 6:09 pm to mistaken4193
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We don’t need his offense. We just need him to set good screens, get Offensive boards and putbacks and catch lobs.
And then play great defense
It doesn’t feel like it but every metric would tell you that the 2024 offense was notably better than the Brandon Miller offense
I’m excited to see if Cliff puts us back in that sweet spot where defensive stops would bolster our offense and we’d bury folks with a bunch of miniruns. I don’t think we’re ever more lethal than when we’re running after a defensive rebound or a block or whatever
Posted on 5/7/24 at 6:11 pm to Glorious
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It doesn’t feel like it but every metric would tell you that the 2024 offense was notably better than the Brandon Miller offense
I’m excited to see if Cliff puts us back in that sweet spot where defensive stops would bolster our offense and we’d bury folks with a bunch of miniruns. I don’t think we’re ever more lethal than when we’re running after a defensive rebound or a block or whatever
The 2024 offense is the best group of pure shooters all around we've ever had, and we basically return all of them (plz Mark) next year PLUS add a couple more. Throw Cliff into that situation and he's gonna be runnin free down the lane a lot.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 6:44 pm to Temple of the Dog
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Considering we got Creighton, Arizona and probably Illinois (plus Carolina/Duke) in addition to this tournament, I'm good
Where is Illinois coming from?
Posted on 5/7/24 at 6:47 pm to mistaken4193
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What a disappointing field. Houston is the only other elite team.
There’s one spot left, likely to be a Big East team, per Norlander. Several teams like Xavier and Marquette aren’t in a MTE yet.
This post was edited on 5/7/24 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 5/7/24 at 7:04 pm to Crimsontide1713
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Where is Illinois coming from?
Been pretty heavily rumored we'd start a H&H with them next year (first game in Tuscaloosa). Nothing confirmed, though.
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