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re: University of Alabama system to review all building names, remove Confederate Army plaques

Posted on 6/9/20 at 8:37 pm to
Posted by LovetheLord
The Ash Grove
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 6/9/20 at 8:37 pm to
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This is hyperbole. Nobody is attempting to cover up history by removing monuments from taxpayer funded entities. The history can be documented in other means, and it is very important to tell the WHOLE American story. And systemic racism doesn't depersonalize whites. It simply implicates the ones who were instrumental in constructing and maintaining systems that impede the liberties of Black Americans. Major difference. As we've seen this week, White people can and should stand up in favor of liberties of Black people. Because if freedoms can be eroded from Black people, they can also be for everyone else. In the words of Fannie Lou Hamer, "nobody is free until we are all free."


The removing of statues and monuments is precisely being done to cover up history. The Civil War still happened, those men still fought in it and they were still gallant soldiers. What ways are going to be acceptable to you for documenting history? A notation in a book, but nobody can visit or know where Gettysburg is located? And who made you the arbiter of what is acceptable anyway? What if I don’t subscribe to your opinions?

In zero way have the latest outbreaks been focused on the guilty. The whole of American police forces, black members and white, have been dubbed racist and systemically so. Police officers in cities hundreds of miles away have been attacked because, well, you know, they’re all just a bunch of systemic racists. If you can just call the police force systemically racist then they will be depersonalized and as a group made enemies and worthy of deadly assault. They aren’t people with families. They’re just the blue eyed devils. Furthermore, Target, Wal Mart and thousands of minority owned businesses had nothing to do with George Floyd’s death. How has ransacking them brought justice to the guilty?

Standing with blacks has nothing to do with erasing history or pretending like the Civil War was a war to keep people enslaved. Believing something so simplistic and broad brush is beneath a thinking adult’s standard. Standing with blacks would be saying, “you can do it too. There is nothing inherently substandard about you. 1) Wait til your 21 before you get married. 2) Finish high school. 3) Don’t have a child out of wedlock. If you do just these three things the statistical likelihood that you won’t live in poverty are astounding. Focus on your children’s education. Send them to college. Teach them to work hard and not to see themselves as a victim. Do these things and your whole ancestry will change for the better.” It’s simple, but it’s not easy.

Yes. I 100% stand with blacks. But not in the ignorance perpetuating virtue signaling manner of many.
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
28869 posts
Posted on 6/9/20 at 8:57 pm to
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 6/9/20 at 9:43 pm to
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The removing of statues and monuments is precisely being done to cover up history.



What history are they covering up by removing them? Absent the context of why they were put there, I’d argue their presence covers up history.

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A notation in a book, but nobody can visit or know where Gettysburg is located?


Oh FFS, the issue is monuments built on city and state property to venerate Confederate figures, the large majority erected during Reconstruction. There’s not a single legitimate voice arguing to close Gettysburg, Shiloh, Antietam, or any other Civil War site of historical significance.
Posted by stomp
Bama
Member since Nov 2014
3709 posts
Posted on 6/9/20 at 9:51 pm to
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The Civil War still happened, those men still fought in it and they were still gallant soldiers. What ways are going to be acceptable to you for documenting history? A notation in a book, but nobody can visit or know where Gettysburg is located?


This hyperbolic notion that removing the monuments from taxpayer funded grounds is not going to help a compromise. They absolutely should be moved to a more appropriate location for learning (museums, graveyards, historical sites, etc).

What about this is not understood?
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