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Posted by RollTide4Ever
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Posted on 6/8/20 at 10:18 am to
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Benson relates a case study in government negligence where three female roommates were attacked in their apartment. Two girls upstairs made repeated calls to police while the third roommate was beaten and raped by several men. When her screams stopped the two roommates thought the police must have arrived. They went downstairs where for the next fourteen hours they too were raped, robbed, and beaten. Government courts absolved the police of any liability.



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Further, David Rasmussen and Bruce Benson's 1994 book, The Economic Anatomy of a Drug War shows that the modern drug war and all of its draconian policies actually increased property and violent crimes committed on the American public and made us less safe.



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You might be surprised to know, for example, that more disputes are resolved in private courts than in government courts, that there are more private security guards than police, and that private companies have built their own prisons without a government contract.


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Consider, for example, the widely held idea that drug use causes crime. Statistics show that in 35 cities monitored by the U.S. Department of Justice in 2000, at least 50 percent of adult men arrested for crimes tested positive for drugs. That’s enough to frighten the typical citizen into supporting the drug war. After all, who wants more crime? But Miron points out that those statistics don’t show that drug usage causes criminal behavior or that the arrestees were under the influence of drugs at the time of the crime. “The methodology used in these analyses would also demonstrate that consumption of fast food or wearing blue jeans causes criminal behavior,” Miron observes with appropriate sarcasm.


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Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 6/8/20 at 10:20 am to
What is it that you think those articles prove?
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 6/8/20 at 11:28 am to
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Benson relates a case study in government negligence where three female roommates were attacked in their apartment. Two girls upstairs made repeated calls to police while the third roommate was beaten and raped by several men. When her screams stopped the two roommates thought the police must have arrived. They went downstairs where for the next fourteen hours they too were raped, robbed, and beaten. Government courts absolved the police of any liability.


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You might be surprised to know, for example, that more disputes are resolved in private courts than in government courts, that there are more private security guards than police, and that private companies have built their own prisons without a government contract.


Both of these appear to support the idea that there are TOO FEW police. In the first one, the police didn't get there fast enough. I'd like to see the actual case because government entities are not immune in the case of gross negligence.

In the second, the fact that people have to hire private security again indicates there aren't enough real law enforcement. As far as the private prisons go, is that something you really, truly want? A private company with the ability to arrest and imprison you? I'm sure that will end well. They'd have to answer to the courts? Well who's going to enforce those court mandates? The police? Yeah, about them.....

Not sure why the war on drugs comes in, but since you brought it up, let's talk Portugal. They decriminalized possession of pretty much everything in 2001. The crime rate was 1 per 100,000 in 2001 and it's stayed around that same number ever since. They had 12,994 people in prison in the year 2000, they had 12,900 in prison in 2018. Portugal's murder rate in 2000 was 1.2 per 100,000 in 2000 and it has averaged around that same number in the 20 years since.

Interestingly, HIV cases have dropped tremendously but accidental overdose deaths have increased dramatically.

Point being, the arguments that decriminalizing drugs at the user level hasn't done one thing to change the crime situation in Portugal. You'd see exactly the same thing here in the US. Those people getting picked up for drugs today would (just as they are in Portugal) simply get arrested and imprisoned for something else.
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