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re: Do yall believe there will be football this year?
Posted on 4/10/20 at 10:39 am to djsdawg
Posted on 4/10/20 at 10:39 am to djsdawg
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That was a worst case scenario based on, you didn’t guess it, doing nothing.
So typical.I was referring to the critics of what we're doing now vs a targeted response.You knew this but somehow you tried to turn it into some type of gotcha.
So where are these models with a targeted response vs a full shutdown? And why was Birx so far off in her full mitigation model?
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Posted on 4/10/20 at 11:02 am to RD Dawg
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Dr Birx announced today that 40% of the people on ventilators have come off of them and I'm assuming others will be coming off as well.
Sorry don't believe they're more damage.
Came across this article this morning.
Some doctors moving away from ventilators for virus patients
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The reason: Some hospitals have reported unusually high death rates for coronavirus patients on ventilators, and some doctors worry that the machines could be harming certain patients.
Also it turns out 2/3rd I mentioned was actually low.
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But 80% or more of coronavirus patients placed on the machines in New York City have died, state and city officials say.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 11:08 am to 3down10
Posted on 4/10/20 at 11:14 am to 3down10
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And another.
Doctors rethinking coronavirus: Are we using ventilators the wrong way?
Interesting...but based on the article it seems like that's a minority opinion that most doctors don't agree with, etc.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 11:19 am to 3down10
By posting these links, it seems you understand why we need to buy more time. Do you?
Posted on 4/10/20 at 11:22 am to Peter167
Until there is a vaccine I would say no.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 11:33 am to djsdawg
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By posting these links, it seems you understand why we need to buy more time. Do you?
I thought we needed to flatten the curve because there weren't going to be enough ventilators to go around.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 11:34 am to GITiger
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Until there is a vaccine I would say no.
Anyone who gets it is vaccinated if they don't die.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 11:39 am to 3down10
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thought we needed to flatten the curve because there weren't going to be enough ventilators to go around.
That was one reason. We also needed to find effective treatments. We still don’t have full agreement on what is happening and how to treat these people.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 11:41 am to Tigerman97
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Interesting...but based on the article it seems like that's a minority opinion that most doctors don't agree with, etc.
Based on what I've read over the past few days, there is a good reason why ventilators don't work and why things like that malaria medicine are working.
I'm not a doctor, but I'll try to summarize what I've read as best I can.
The problem with the lungs and such is because the virus removes the iron from hemoglobin in the blood. That iron ion is apparently extremely important because it is what the oxygen and Co2 molecules bind to when they are exchanged in the lungs.
After enough of this iron is removed from the blood, the patient dies from suffocation even while they are on a ventilator and getting plenty of oxygen. Also the body also produces more iron or there is a lot of iron elsewhere in the body which causes a poison like effect. I really didn't understand that part exactly, lots of terms I didn't know/understand.
Apparently the reason the malaria medicine works is because it prevents the virus from doing it. I think malaria works in a different way, but also attacks the hemoglobin.
I posted a link to a paper about it a page or so ago. Interesting stuff.
I've also seen some things about blood types may be a factor. But nothing I thought was solid thus far.
This post was edited on 4/10/20 at 11:43 am
Posted on 4/10/20 at 11:48 am to djsdawg
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That we don’t know for sure. Some recovered patients are showing a very low number of antibodies:
LINK
Their bodies produced enough to fight it off prior, why could they not produce enough again after?
Seems a mutation would be the bigger worry.
This post was edited on 4/10/20 at 11:49 am
Posted on 4/10/20 at 11:50 am to 3down10
Isn't hydroxychloroquine now being seriously questioned as an effective treatment?
Well maybe not as an effective treatment, but a treatment with very risky cardiovascular concerns
Well maybe not as an effective treatment, but a treatment with very risky cardiovascular concerns
This post was edited on 4/10/20 at 11:57 am
Posted on 4/10/20 at 12:15 pm to 3down10
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Their bodies produced enough to fight it off prior, why could they not produce enough again after?
Seems a mutation would be the bigger worry.
Your original point was that they wouldn't even get the illness again. Turns out that might not be true.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 1:52 pm to Peter167
I guess nobody knows so nobody can really answer. God almighty please let there be football with adequate summer training and time together as a team
NBA playoffs should tell us something. Wonder if they would just do something like play 5 10 games each then its playoff time
NBA playoffs should tell us something. Wonder if they would just do something like play 5 10 games each then its playoff time
This post was edited on 4/10/20 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 4/10/20 at 1:54 pm to NFLU
Well I am new
Posted on 4/10/20 at 1:58 pm to bigpapamac
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Yes because we have been treating this exactly like a regular flu season so far.
We should have instead of acting like it was the GD Apocalypse.
Posted on 4/10/20 at 1:59 pm to Nado Jenkins83
Would love to see Brennan duel it out in the swamp with Trask. Dont think we've lost there yet under Mullen. Either way it's always a good entertaining game
Both will have great weapons to work with esp if Lingard gets the waiver he barely played last yr due to injury so I'm hoping he does
Should be 2 very good defenses too
Both will have great weapons to work with esp if Lingard gets the waiver he barely played last yr due to injury so I'm hoping he does
Should be 2 very good defenses too
Posted on 4/10/20 at 2:44 pm to TacoNash
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Isn't hydroxychloroquine now being seriously questioned as an effective treatment?
Well maybe not as an effective treatment, but a treatment with very risky cardiovascular concerns
Yeah, that is the Malaria pill. Malaria also attacks the hemoglobin, but in a different way. But the drug seems to protect the blood cells in the same way.
On the paper I read, it said blood transfusions might be the best treatment for people who have digressed to the ventilator stage. The new blood would have the iron in it and would be able to facilitate the oxygen/co2 transfer again. The ventilators do no good when the body isn't able to process the oxygen they provide. So people die anyway and that's why the ventilators aren't working.
Before long, there might be a lot of blood drives.
This post was edited on 4/10/20 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 4/10/20 at 2:59 pm to djsdawg
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Your original point was that they wouldn't even get the illness again. Turns out that might not be true.
Pretty sure the majority of people will stay immune.
And if they are not immune, I'm not sure how a vaccine would help them, as the vaccine just gives you antibodies against it as well.
Because a vaccine only teaches your immune system how to make those antibodies on it's own.
I hope to get my hands on one of the tests when they become available. There is a decent chance I've already had it.
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