re: SEC HC rankings

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You're really struggling here. I can't help you if you don't see how SEC and National Titles are noteworthy, with the National Title being a bigger accomplishment.

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Are you joking? I am arguing that they are noteworthy, but that there are also a lot of other things that are noteworthy. YOU argue that the only noteworthy accomplishments are the SEC Championship and the National title, not me.

I think both are very noteworthy accomplishments. But seriously...would rather win the SEC Championship and get beat in the first round of the playoffs, or would you rather lose the SEC Championship yet still play for the National title? Give me a shot at the title every time.

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The goal for every team in the SEC is to win the SEC and then hopefully a National Title. Anything short of that is pretty unremarkable.

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I agree that should be the goal. But playing for a NC is a pretty noteworthy thing. Do you think Alabama is really worried about not winning the SEC in 2011?

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Umm, yes...you won an SEC Title and lost the national title game. You wanna brag about a loss, don't let me stand in your way.

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Who is bragging about a loss? I would prefer to win the NC. But winning a playoff game and playing for the title is still a nice accomplishment. What surprises me is LSU fans want to sneer at Alabama fans for not winning the SEC in 2011, and yet they won the National Championship.
But hey. You guys won the SEC, so brag about that.

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You're proving my point perfectly. It doesn't matter where you finish you don't have an SEC or National Title. Why are you fighting this? If you finish top 4 nationally but you don't win a conference or natty, thumping your chest about your top 4 national finish is pretty dumb, don't you think?

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Not at all. Only four teams in the entire country can say they finished in the top 4. That is stout. You can belittle it if you want, but there are 128 or so teams that wishes they could say they finished in the top 4. It shows progress, and shows you have a pretty darn good team. But hey.....LSU finished #2 in the country in 2011. You can be ashamed of that if you want to be. After all....it really wasn't an accomplishment. By the way...why would you be proud of winning the SEC if you don't win the NC? Nobody remembers who finished 2nd, or 3rd, or 4th, right?

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Yes, what do you get by losing in the natty? Is there a participation trophy awarded that I'm not aware of?

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But wait...we won the SEC. We got a trophy for that. I am confused about what we should be ashamed of and what we should be proud of.

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I'd view it the same way I did 2011 -- an undefeated regular season with an SEC title (and a Heisman for this) but I wouldn't be thumping my chest about a natty loss just like I don't the game against Bama. I'd view it as missing the mark, which is winning the game, not just getting there.

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Then did Alabama hit the mark? I mean, they did not win the SEC, but they did win the National Championship. So, should they be proud or ashamed?