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re: SEC HC rankings
Posted on 3/29/20 at 2:17 pm to ibldprplgld
Posted on 3/29/20 at 2:17 pm to ibldprplgld
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I've been pretty clear winning the SEC is definitely a noteworthy accomplishment. Winning a Natty is obviously more noteworthy.
Yes. yet in spite of that you also said this:
No one remembers 2nd place, or who finishes top 4, or top 10. Kirby won an SEC Championship. That's all that's really noteworthy about his tenure so far at UGA.
So in your mind it is more noteworthy to win the SEC than it is to play for a National Championship. makes absolutely no sense. At all.
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Quote me where I said, "only national championships matter."
When you said this:
No one remembers 2nd place, or who finishes top 4, or top 10.
quote:It is relevant to win the SEC, yet irrelevant to play for a National Championship. Perfect logic. Perfect.
Everything else is pretty largely irrelevant.
quote:You want to play "Show me"? Show me the poster that said Kirby is the second best HC in the SEC.
I mentioned beating Saban or Orgeron because some UGA fans act like Kirby is no. 2 in the conference.
I think the pecking order is pretty clear at the top.
Saban
Orgeron
Where it gets cloudy is after that. I mean, Fisher has won a NC, but has done little since. Malzahn has coached for a NC, but averages almost 5 losses a year since. Mullen has done a good job at MState and Florida, but has never won his own division. Kirby has coached for a NC and won his division 3 straight years,
and has been the most consistent of everyone outside of Saban and Orgeron.
Personally? I have a TON of respect for Orgeron. He saw a deficiency in his team and went out and fixed it.
That's why I give a clear #1 to Saban and a #2 spot to Orgeron.
#3-#5 gets cloudy. I put Kirby at #3 because he has been very consistent to date, and is winning and seems to be building. It is silly to compare Kirby Smart to any coach other than the ones that are currently coaching. An argument can be made for Fisher to be #3 because he has won a NC. I am not sure an argument can be made for Mullen....YET. Malzahn? No. He has got to be more consistent.
It is silly to say that the only noteworthy accomplishment a coach can have is winning a NC or winning the SEC, though. Making the playoffs, winning a playoff game are both noteworthy. Nothing personal, but I think if Clemson had beaten LSU in the NC you would be agreeing with me.
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Posted on 3/29/20 at 2:23 pm to DawgsLife
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You want to play "Show me"? Show me the poster that said Kirby is the second best HC in the SEC.
I think the pecking order is pretty clear at the top.
Saban
Orgeron
Where it gets cloudy is after that. I mean, Fisher has won a NC, but has done little since. Malzahn has coached for a NC, but averages almost 5 losses a year since. Mullen has done a good job at MState and Florida, but has never won his own division. Kirby has coached for a NC and won his division 3 straight years,
and has been the most consistent of everyone outside of Saban and Orgeron.
Personally? I have a TON of respect for Orgeron. He saw a deficiency in his team and went out and fixed it.
That's why I give a clear #1 to Saban and a #2 spot to Orgeron.
#3-#5 gets cloudy. I put Kirby at #3 because he has been very consistent to date, and is winning and seems to be building. It is silly to compare Kirby Smart to any coach other than the ones that are currently coaching. An argument can be made for Fisher to be #3 because he has won a NC. I am not sure an argument can be made for Mullen....YET. Malzahn? No. He has got to be more consistent.
I agree with all of this.
To me, Fisher winning a national championship at Florida State isnt that huge of a deal because he doesnt seem to be doing that great of a job at his current school.
We dont rank Miles as a top 10 CFB coach just because he won a championship at LSU.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 4:48 pm to DawgsLife
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Yes. yet in spite of that you also said this:
No one remembers 2nd place, or who finishes top 4, or top 10. Kirby won an SEC Championship. That's all that's really noteworthy about his tenure so far at UGA.
You're really struggling here. I can't help you if you don't see how SEC and National Titles are noteworthy, with the National Title being a bigger accomplishment. The goal for every team in the SEC is to win the SEC and then hopefully a National Title. Anything short of that is pretty unremarkable.
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So in your mind it is more noteworthy to win the SEC than it is to play for a National Championship. makes absolutely no sense. At all.
Umm, yes...you won an SEC Title and lost the national title game. You wanna brag about a loss, don't let me stand in your way.
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When you said this:
No one remembers 2nd place, or who finishes top 4, or top 10.
You're proving my point perfectly. It doesn't matter where you finish you don't have an SEC or National Title. Why are you fighting this? If you finish top 4 nationally but you don't win a conference or natty, thumping your chest about your top 4 national finish is pretty dumb, don't you think?
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It is relevant to win the SEC, yet irrelevant to play for a National Championship. Perfect logic. Perfect.
Yes, what do you get by losing in the natty? Is there a participation trophy awarded that I'm not aware of?
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Nothing personal, but I think if Clemson had beaten LSU in the NC you would be agreeing with me.
I'd view it the same way I did 2011 -- an undefeated regular season with an SEC title (and a Heisman for this) but I wouldn't be thumping my chest about a natty loss just like I don't the game against Bama. I'd view it as missing the mark, which is winning the game, not just getting there.
I don't disagree with your rankings much; I have:
1) Saban
2) Orgeron
3) Kirby/Mullen/Jimbo(luster is fading real fast off that natty)
6) Malzahn/Stoops
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