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While I wouldn't at all be surprised if they did, it would be foolish to believe that every doctor just nodded their head and agreed to it. There are many on record that have gone out of their way to dispel this idea.

Where did I say "every doctor" or "every case"?

You backed yourself in a corner and are now putting words in my mouth that I never said just to try and get yourself out.

I said that the 80,000 number wasn't really accurate, and you said it was.

No numbers came from me. I didn't say a percentage because my argument is based on nobody definitely knowing, and that was always my point.

They are undoubtedly classifying some of those 80,000 as COVID deaths wrongly, and your replies flat out claimed I was wrong. Which means your claim is that the 80,000 is accurate. You even said verbatim, it's accurate.

But NOW look at you. Suddenly you're saying it's not definite, and being hyperbolic and acting like I said some huge number when I never did.

You're being an a-hole here, and I'm pretty sure you know it.

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I haven't seen your post as I have no intention of sifting through pages upon pages of mostly useless drivel to find it. If you want to link it, I'm happy to oblige you.

Well isn't that convenient.

You don't know what I've posted in this thread, but you didn't have a problem claiming all I've posted in this thread is far-right Facebook meme bullshite.

Again... you... a-hole.

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You need to stay on-point. I never said anything wasn't guesswork. In fact, again, I literally said much of medicine is exactly that. And connecting COVID to these deaths is an educated guess made by the doctors involved in patient care. You have no way to definitively prove them right or wrong, but you are attempting to definitely say that they are lying to increase the count. So make up your mind.

LOLWTF?

I say the 80,000 number is merely inaccurate because doctors and hospitals and municipalities can't be 100% certain.

YOU claim it's accurate and I'm wrong.

But now you're saying doctors and hospitals can't be 100% certain.

And I'm supposedly the one off point?

WTF, man....

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Sure there are. Are they the bulk of 80k dead? Is it completely unreasonable, again, to determine that COVID played a role in their death? Should it just be ignored and swept under the rug? How would YOU handle it.

Why do I have to know how to handle it?

All I know is there's a lot of bullshite politics going on with this thing, and those numbers getting thrown around are being used in political arguments by government officials who actually make decisions that effect our lives.

And I'm just one of the many MANY folks that's pissed off about it because our government, BOTH SIDES, along with corporatists and unscrupulous profiteers, have ZERO credibility and are most assuredly exploiting this thing one way or another for an agenda that will likely hurt people somehow.

I'm not just being cynical about it, either. Politicians, their cronies, and money-grubbing fricks have proven time and time again that they are liars, thieves, and cheats, and they will do and say anything to sustain their status or political power.

The Democrats and Doomers want so bad for that 80,000 number to sound bad and even be worse. They'd never admit it, and in fact would surely deny it, but they can't help but prove post after post that they are using it as an excuse to demean and hate on Trump and anyone that isn't "on their side".

These are the same fricking people who just spent 3+ years propagating lies and spinning bullshite to try and oust a duly elected President. They aren't honest and they have no integrity or credibility.

There freaking fraud and dishonesty everywhere all around us at all times. Droves of it as far as the eye can see. Year after year. Lie after lie. Our tax dollars essentially being stolen by lawmakers on a goddamn daily basis.

And yet, in this one case, you want to believe it's all accurate and legit?

*sigh* SMH

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I have demanded nothing. And how have I insulted you, exactly?

You said the number was accurate. You said I was wrong. You said I'm such a dolt that I'm just parroting rightwing Facebook memes. And now you're putting words in my mouth that I didn't say.

And you don't think you've insulted me? And you wonder why I'm a pejorative spitting fool at you?

Dude, you need some serious introspection.

I know I'm an a-hole, but only to other assholes.

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Posted by S1C EM

Athens, GA

Member since Nov 2007

11585 posts

Posted on 5/14/20 at 3:43 pm to BeefDawg

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Where did I say "every doctor" or "every case"?

You backed yourself in a corner and are now putting words in my mouth that I never said just to try and get yourself out

It was implied. Don't try and play dumb now. Re-read your statement. If you want to clarify it now, that's fine. But you said what you said without any clarification or context. I have put no words in your mouth.

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I said that the 80,000 number wasn't really accurate, and you said it was.

No numbers came from me. I didn't say a percentage because my argument is based on nobody definitely knowing, and that was always my point.

They are undoubtedly classifying some of those 80,000 as COVID deaths wrongly, and your replies flat out claimed I was wrong. Which means your claim is that the 80,000 is accurate. You even said verbatim, it's accurate.

But NOW look at you. Suddenly you're saying it's not definite, and being hyperbolic and acting like I said some huge number when I never did.

You're being an a-hole here, and I'm pretty sure you know it.

As far as anyone on the outside of this is concerned, it's accurate. If 80k people have died while being COVID-positive, there's no way for us to know which ones MAY have died of something else. What we know is that they are dead and they had COVID. It is reasonable to assume that those facts are not coincidental. If you disagree, so be it.

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Well isn't that convenient.

You don't know what I've posted in this thread, but you didn't have a problem claiming all I've posted in this thread is far-right Facebook meme bullshite.

Again... you... a-hole.

Never said anything about "all you have posted". I was speaking to the post that I responded to at the time. And you still sound like a Facebook meme.

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LOLWTF?

I say the 80,000 number is merely inaccurate because doctors and hospitals and municipalities can't be 100% certain.

YOU claim it's accurate and I'm wrong.

But now you're saying doctors and hospitals can't be 100% certain.

And I'm supposedly the one off point?

WTF, man....

You didn't say they were "a little off" on the numbers. You have implied (and even here now, outright stated) that the numbers we have are the result of rampant corruption and deception in order to pad the pockets of hospital administrators. I've said from the get-go that doctors can't be 100%, but that where COVID is involved, they have, generally speaking, made reasonable connections to patients' deaths.

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Why do I have to know how to handle it?

Just tell me what constitutes a COVID death for you. That's the only question that needs to be answered here. You tell me what a person has to die of for it to be classified as a COVID death.

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All I know is there's a lot of bullshite politics going on with this thing, and those numbers getting thrown around are being used in political arguments by government officials who actually make decisions that effect our lives.

And I'm just one of the many MANY folks that's pissed off about it because our government, BOTH SIDES, along with corporatists and unscrupulous profiteers, have ZERO credibility and are most assuredly exploiting this thing one way or another for an agenda that will likely hurt people somehow.

I'm not just being cynical about it, either. Politicians, their cronies, and money-grubbing fricks have proven time and time again that they are liars, thieves, and cheats, and they will do and say anything to sustain their status or political power.

The Democrats and Doomers want so bad for that 80,000 number to sound bad and even be worse. They'd never admit it, and in fact would surely deny it, but they can't help but prove post after post that they are using it as an excuse to demean and hate on Trump and anyone that isn't "on their side".

These are the same fricking people who just spent 3+ years propagating lies and spinning bullshite to try and oust a duly elected President. They aren't honest and they have no integrity or credibility.

There freaking fraud and dishonesty everywhere all around us at all times. Droves of it as far as the eye can see. Year after year. Lie after lie. Our tax dollars essentially being stolen by lawmakers on a goddamn daily basis.

Okay, there's a lot of frustration here. I get it. I don't disagree with a lot of what you're saying, but you're venturing off into tinfoil-hat-land. You say you don't care about political leanings, but I think you do. Regardless of side, you're not a fan of how the politics has been injected into this whole thing and I understand that. And I agree that it's happening. Personally, I am trying to separate and pay no attention to the politics and I'm not buying into one narrative or the other. Independent of all of that, whether it's 50k or 80k, these people are dead. As far as being accurate, 80k people tested positive for COVID and died. I have no way to reliably refute the number and I still believe that COVID+DEAD is generally not coincidental.

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And yet, in this one case, you want to believe it's all accurate and legit?

*sigh* SMH

You can't spend your entire life thinking that everyone is intentionally lying to you. I have no issue with being skeptical. But give or take, I believe the numbers being put out are a good-faith representation of what's going on until someone can produce some compelling evidence that doesn't involve anecdotal stories or outliers.

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You said the number was accurate. You said I was wrong. You said I'm such a dolt that I'm just parroting rightwing Facebook memes. And now you're putting words in my mouth that I didn't say.

And you don't think you've insulted me? And you wonder why I'm a pejorative spitting fool at you?

Dude, you need some serious introspection.

I know I'm an a-hole, but only to other assholes.

The number is as accurate as far as you or I know. I have no doubt there is some variance and that what you're concerned about is happening from time to time. The difference is that I don't believe that's happening nearly as often as you seem to think it is. You may be right. But we have no way to prove that.

And let's be clear. I have not once called you a dolt. I don't even think I've called you a name yet.

But I am simply making an observation when I tell you that your post, to which I originally responded, read like a Facebook meme. And I stand by that. Personally, I wouldn't get bent out of shape and uber-offended by that. You keep this up and you'll die of a heart attack and be labeled a COVID death according to your order of things.

Dude, chill out. We don't agree. It's fine. Nothing for you to raise your blood pressure over. Take a break. I am.