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re: Why is the West the Best?
Posted on 12/5/19 at 5:33 pm to WTFLSU
Posted on 12/5/19 at 5:33 pm to WTFLSU
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Feathers too ruffled for logic?
Logic? Man. I pointed out how the OP said the entire division. I mean, really, if you want to narrow it down then it looks worse for the west. I mean for 10 years it's been Alabama and the 6 weak sisters.
I have admitted that the west has been stronger in the past, but all statistics and records show the east has caught the west in the last two years.
In the last 2 years, the east has had more teams finish in the top 10.
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ETA: Why would I need to come up with something new? You've already proved my point. The West is the best.
There you go again. Proving that you can't understand simple concepts.
Honestly? The only people that bring up the east verses west thing is the west fans. I honestly don't get it. But if you dent the east has at least caught the west, then you would have to prove that. I can show you SEC titles and records head to head to prove my point. All you can do is point to one teams success. ONE. TEAM.
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Posted on 12/5/19 at 5:42 pm to Rabern57
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When you play a cupcake schedule, all you have to do is win the games and you will move up. UGA play Auburn and that's it. UF plays LSU and that's it.
Crap dude. We played for the National tittle!
We also play Florida and Notre Dame this year. I mean, ND is better than Oregon. I know, I know. Oregon is ranked higher. Because they play a "cupcake" schedule. PAC !12. Are you going to start honking the PAC 12's horn now?
quote:I assume you mean you would lose to Georgia. But then, there is that pesky loss to Florida, too. Auburn has lost 3 games this year. Two of those losses came to East teams.
As far as the 5 lose crap, Auburn would only have 1 loss with UGA's schedule too.
Last year Auburn lost 5 games. Guess what? 2 of those losses came to east teams.
Maybe you should rethink that statement. Doesn't seem as if Auburn does very well against east teams. (I'll try not to bring up anther loss you had to MState!)
But yeah. You just keep on believing you want our schedule. It looks to me like you would lose just as many games, because your cross divisional opponent would still be Alabama. :lol:
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As far as the 5 lose crap, Auburn would only have 1 loss with UGA's schedule too. UGA would have lost to Bama and LSU and possibly Oregon if they had Auburn’s.
Maybe. If. Could. Would. Should.
Fact. We still beat Auburn regularly.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 5:44 pm to DawgsLife
quote:In the last decade the East has zero NCs. It's all a bunch of fluff. Nice record and nothing to show for it. Kinda like Georgia over the last 40 years.
In the last 2 years, the east has had more teams finish in the top 10.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 5:46 pm to Rabern57
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In the last decade the East has zero NCs. It's all a bunch of fluff. Nice record and nothing to show for it. Kinda like Georgia over the last 40 years.
Butbutbutbut. We are talking about now. Not last decade. Not 5 years ago. Yes. The west used to be much, much better than the east. We admit that.
But the last two years the east has caught the west.
quote:Maybe. Think about it. We haven't won a NC in 39 years, and yet we still have as many as Auburn. Congrats on that team that plays big on the national stage.
Nice record and nothing to show for it. Kinda like Georgia over the last 40 years.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 5:47 pm to DawgsLife
quote:I'll try to bring up your loss to USCe or sliding by A&M with your so great team that hasn't played many teams with their real starting QBs.
I'll try not to bring up anther loss you had to MState!)
Posted on 12/5/19 at 5:51 pm to DawgsLife
quote:No. You have UGA and a half-arse UF team (save me the speech of beating Auburn). No one else. That's all it's been for awhile except 1 USCe team and 1 Mizzou team. Both of which was destroyed by Auburn. The East a 1.5 team league and always has been.
But the last two years the east has caught the west.
This post was edited on 12/5/19 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 12/5/19 at 5:51 pm to Rabern57
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I'll try to bring up your loss to USCe or sliding by A&M with your so great team that hasn't played many teams with their real starting QBs.
And I'll try not to bring up playing a PAC 12 team down to the wire, beating a loss Tulane 24-6, getting beat by Florida, Ole Miss 24-10, and oh yes...you only beat A&M by 8, so I'm not so sure I would bring our game up with A&M. I mean, we played in a torrential downpour. What was Auburn's excuse?
You got beat by a Tennessee team last year that had not won a SEC game in 2 years.
Amazing. We are so bad, yet we manage to beat Auburn's behind year, after year, after year, after....well, you get the point.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 5:52 pm to DawgsLife
quote:Yeah. Your best team is as good as the 2nd or 3rd team in the West. You haven't proven the East is anything more than its ever been compared to the West.
Amazing. We are so bad, yet we manage to beat Auburn's behind year, after year, after year, after....well, you get the point.
This post was edited on 12/5/19 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 12/5/19 at 5:54 pm to Rabern57
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a half-arse UF team (save me the speech of beating Auburn).
Why save you that? Every team you try to put down has beaten you.
How bad is Auburn if Florida and Georgia is bad? quote:
Both of which was destroyed by Auburn.
Ten-r-see. destroy that.
The west has Alabama and LSU and a team that averages 5 losses a year in the last 5 years but considers themselves a major national player.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 5:55 pm to Rabern57
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Yeah. Your best team is as good as the 2nd or 3rd team in the West. You haven't proven the East is anything more than its ever been compared to the West.
Well, there is that pesky head to head record the past two years. The east won it last year and we tied it this year. But yeah....the west is worlds better. Congrats on having one strong team a year.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 5:59 pm to DawgsLife
Your only comparisons are against a team that averages 5 losses. That's not a good argument for the East being good. The East beat Auburn so they are equal to the West now. Got it.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 6:02 pm to Rabern57
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Your only comparisons are against a team that averages 5 losses. That's not a good argument for the East being good.
You think Georgia is the only team in the east? Listen carefully and let me say it again. This time slowly.
The east beat the west head to head last year.
The east broke even with the west this year.
I'm sorry you don't like the facts, but those are the facts. You can ignore them, and insist they are wrong, but go ahead and look up the scores. The east has caught the west. At least for the time being. Who knows? Maybe the west will pull back ahead. But for now, there is no argument. The east is as good top to bottom as the west.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 6:05 pm to Rabern57
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Your only comparisons are against a team that averages 5 losses. That's not a good argument for the East being good. The East beat Auburn so they are equal to the West now. Got it.
Tell you what. I'll give you one last shot. Tell me some facts that show the west is better than the east. I have shown you records, rankings, and head to head.
You're up. What proves the west is better?
It's not records. It's not rankings. It's not head to head. It must be the feels, right? You just feeeeeel the west is better.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 6:26 pm to DawgsLife
quote:No. The number of NCs over the last decade says it. Your "well they beat Auburn" isn't an argument to any points I've made. You have to go back to the 90's for the East to be consider as good as the West has been. Since then the East has always been a 1 team division and most of that is that someone has to win it. Nothing has changed. UGA won and UF just started high and lost its biggest game to the West and East and just beat Auburn. After that there is no one. That's not better.
You just feeeeeel the west is better.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 7:30 pm to DawgsLife
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DawgsLife
Man, you really are fricking dense. First, let me just say before I peel it apart for you that I am very pleased with your reaction to and passion on this topic. The best part is your anger. You're so flustered that even with a seemingly 110% effort to use all of your mental faculties to get your point across, you can only employ boring contradictions and name-calling. I love it. Thank you for it.
quote:I think I have a solid understanding of what the OP was trying to say, being that he is me. I felt like his point was pretty clear..that based on empirical evidence, the West is the best this Century. Sorry that doesn't sit well with you.
I pointed out how the OP said the entire division.
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I can show you SEC titles and records head to head to prove my point.
Please do. Would love to compare titles. Especially since we're talking about recent history.
ETA: 36-16 #STTDB
This post was edited on 12/5/19 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 12/6/19 at 5:41 am to Rabern57
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No. The number of NCs over the last decade says it.
What part of "right now" is escaping you?
You want to talk about the last decade?
We have already said thta in the past the west has been better. Much better as a matter of fact.
I love how you want to change the narrative.
1. You want to change the narrative from "right now" to the last decade.
2. Change the narrative from the division to one team.
3. Let's conveniently ignore the bottom of the division.
Arkansas was worse than Vanderbilt. Think about that.
Ole Miss was worse than South Carolina.
I would argue that MState was worse than Missouri.
Kentucky as good as A&M
Auburn better than Tennessee
Florida as good as Alabama
LSU better than Georgia.
That is matching the standings up and down the conference, looking at head to head, like opponents and teams that beat other good/decent teams.
But yeah. You go ahead and live off the last decade. That's what Auburn fans do best.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 5:47 am to WTFLSU
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The best part is your anger.
What on earth are you talking about? quote:
I think I have a solid understanding of what the OP was trying to say, being that he is me.
Then maybe you shouldn't try to change the narrative when called out on it? Why give divisional statistics if you are talking about a single game? And by the way? A single game does not mean a conference or division is best. If it did, then the ACC is better than the SEC, and we all know that isn't the case. I mean, I know that isn't the case.
Apparently in your world the ACC is better than the SEC.
quote:If you want to talk the last 10 years, you are correct. Congrats. If you want to talk the last couple of years you are wrong. Congrats on past glories?
the West is the best this Century.
quote:I already did. The last two years the divsions are 1-1.
Please do. Would love to compare titles. Especially since we're talking about recent history.
H2H the east beat the west last year, and they split their games this year.
Game. Set. Match.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 5:50 am to RD Dawg
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You mean the team that's 0-4 vs the East the last 2 years?
o shite
Posted on 12/6/19 at 7:46 am to DawgsLife
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Then maybe you shouldn't try to change the narrative when called out on it?
The Narrative: the West is the best
How/when/where did I “try to change the narrative?”
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:39 am to DawgsLife
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Why give divisional statistics if you are talking about a single game?
The assumption is based on the fact that each team plays every team in its respective division (i.e., if you're in the West then you play every team in the West. But, if you're in the East, then you must play every team in the East). This is done each and every year. The idea of this exercise? To determine who is the best team from each division. And the premise of the SECCG is to determine who is the best.. Therefore, it would stand to reason that the West Divisional Champ and the East Divisional Champ, after competing against each team in their Division, is representing their Division as "the Division's best." Stop me if you have any questions.
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A single game does not mean a conference or division is best.
Agreed. Which is why I used 19 years worth of data instead of a single game to support my case in the first place. I'd invite you to go back and read the original post. But I'll also reiterate and present it in a different format for you now. Especially since you've introduced the argument of Title counts:
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I can show you SEC titles and records head to head to prove my point.
WEST (2000-2018):
3 Different Teams have been crowned SEC Champs and National Champs
13 total SEC Titles
8 National Championship Titles
EAST (2000-2018):
2 Different Teams have been crowned SEC Champs
6 total SEC Titles
2 National Championship Titles (no thanks to UGA)
ANALYTIC BREAKDOWN (WEST vs. EAST from 2000 to 2018):
More Teams: WEST
More SEC Titles (more than 2x as many): WEST
More NC Titles (4x as many): WEST
Or,
3-2 = 1 more West Team (West = better)
13-6 = 7 more West SEC Titles (West = better)
8- 2 = 6 more West National Titles (West = better)
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If you want to talk the last 10 years, you are correct.
I know. That's what I said. The West is the best. But to your point that..
quote:.But then you come back and say shite like..
You can't go pick some random date to make your narrative look better.
quote:While saying...
If you want to talk the last couple of years
quote:I. am. LOVING your contradictions! But, please note that there is a reason why I went back nearly TWO decades.
maybe you shouldn't try to change the narrative
Truly, the most stimulating part of this discussion has been your regressive liberal-esque approach to debating the facts as highlighted below:
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How do you get out of bed in the morning?
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Don't come on here and say something dumb
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Seriously. You should just drop out of this thread and never come back. Every time you come up with another bright idea/angle it just makes you look dumber.
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There you go again. Proving that you can't understand simple concepts.
quote:Lol. C'mon, man. Learn how to debate. It's evident that you are an emotional poster. I suspect you're one of those guys that blows up a girl's DM with "hey beautiful, how r u?" 30-40 consecutive times over a matter of months before you resort to calling her "fat," "ugly," and/or "stupid bitch" when you finally realize that she won't respond to you.
Game. Set. Match.
This post was edited on 12/6/19 at 1:07 pm
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