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Cali’s pay for play bill
Posted on 10/1/19 at 11:42 am
Posted on 10/1/19 at 11:42 am
Opinions on this? Because it’s rumored that South Carolina and Florida are both working on proposals similar.
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 12:25 pm to chawk195
Cali’s comes into play in 2023
I’ll worry about it then
I’ll worry about it then
Posted on 10/1/19 at 12:44 pm to chawk195
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Opinions on this? Because it’s rumored that South Carolina and Florida are both working on proposals similar.
The NCAA is a corrupt organization that selectively enforces the rules.
Let's start there and see if we all agree?
Next, the NCAA is a billion dollar tax free entity that involves itself in too many political issues.
Might we also all agree on that fact of the matter?
Next, if California does it then that will give them an unfair advantage recruiting, might we all agree on that?
A: Players from all over the country will flock there for the bright lights and fast cars and easy women and big paychecks.
B. What keeps California from allowing. 100 football schollies, or 150 or 200 per team?
C. What prevents a school from fielding more than one varsity football team if they can afford it due to unlimited capital from various sponsoring corporations?
D. Once you accept their rules you can be hired or fired, no more guaranteed full rides. You become a commodity with no guarantees of educational support or future earning potential UNLESS you perform and meet expectations.
F. Will contracts be for 1 year, 2 years, 4 years? And, if they are multiyear guaranteed deals what motivates a player to work hard and get better and do the work?
Next, what happens to Title IX and will all athletes be able to draw checks based upon their endorsement worth?
Next, will academics still be a part of the game and, if so, how will that be enforced, by what standards?
Next, who will be the governing body? There are 58 NCAA universities in the state of California. Who or what entity will govern them?
Next, will California pay potential OoC opponents from out of state exorbitant fees to come to Cali to play games?
Next, will the benefits include guaranteed retirement packages for players, insurance, family stipends to parents, etc? Cars, phones, luxury homes?
California is a screwed-up state deeply in debt with the worst homeless problem in the developed world. They are seriously in debt and they are doing this for one reason and one reason only .... as another revenue stream which they intend to tax the life out of. They will ruin this as they have everything else. This is Rollerball and Divergent all rolled into one where gladiator sports are sponsored by wealthy boosters and corporate naming rights on an individual performance-based basis and it will ruin the game and all collegiate sport in general.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 10/1/19 at 12:48 pm to scrooster
Best part: Dabo quits.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 12:58 pm to scrooster
Welcome back rooster... 
Posted on 10/1/19 at 1:26 pm to chawk195
Didn't the ncaa state, after the bill was signed, that this would make teams from cali ineligible for post season play?
P.S. Good to see you back Mr. ROOSTER.
P.S. Good to see you back Mr. ROOSTER.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 10/1/19 at 1:33 pm to I Bleed Garnet
Thank you IBG.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 1:37 pm to Lonnie Utah
Thanks guys and ladies .... I was just staying out of the post Mizzou fray for awhile,
Plus I've been posting less, Suffered a detached retina last Thursday and had to have emergency surgery and it's been miserable since. Finally getting a little reprieve today where I am able to sit here and look at my tablet with one eye for a little while without it giving me a massive headache.
Cool thing is this pirate patch .... the wife and kids and grandkids are all calling me the Dread Pirate Rooster.
Missed the Kentucky game this past Saturday though. First time I have had to stay home for a home game in a long long time.
Plus I've been posting less, Suffered a detached retina last Thursday and had to have emergency surgery and it's been miserable since. Finally getting a little reprieve today where I am able to sit here and look at my tablet with one eye for a little while without it giving me a massive headache.
Cool thing is this pirate patch .... the wife and kids and grandkids are all calling me the Dread Pirate Rooster.
Missed the Kentucky game this past Saturday though. First time I have had to stay home for a home game in a long long time.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 1:40 pm to SOSFAN
If all states pass this I don’t think we’ll see any change in the balance
It will be the same programs in the CFP that we’ve seen the last 5-6 years with a wild card thrown in every now and then
As people have stated on the MSB
Sure LA is the big city, but no one gives a frick about college football there
They’ll tell kids “hey come here and you can sell your football jersey for money”
No ones buying those jerseys.
But for Bama on the other hand, they will.
Bama is already the established brand, Ohio state, Texas, LSU, Georgia, Clemson, etc
The program they sign with will dictate more of what they make than the market they are in
It’s making money of their likeness, their likeness isn’t very valuable in California.
It will be the same programs in the CFP that we’ve seen the last 5-6 years with a wild card thrown in every now and then
As people have stated on the MSB
Sure LA is the big city, but no one gives a frick about college football there
They’ll tell kids “hey come here and you can sell your football jersey for money”
No ones buying those jerseys.
But for Bama on the other hand, they will.
Bama is already the established brand, Ohio state, Texas, LSU, Georgia, Clemson, etc
The program they sign with will dictate more of what they make than the market they are in
It’s making money of their likeness, their likeness isn’t very valuable in California.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 10/1/19 at 1:45 pm to I Bleed Garnet
If it just ends up being the Cali schools
(I also see NY wants to pass it but they don’t even have any public programs that are worth a damn)
I see them just keeping to what they have in California
They won’t steal any recruits, maybe a few but for the bigger names they’ll stay in the South.
NFL scouts will most likely be in their ear telling them that the lack of competition in this California league will most likely kill their draft stock
(I also see NY wants to pass it but they don’t even have any public programs that are worth a damn)
I see them just keeping to what they have in California
They won’t steal any recruits, maybe a few but for the bigger names they’ll stay in the South.
NFL scouts will most likely be in their ear telling them that the lack of competition in this California league will most likely kill their draft stock
Posted on 10/1/19 at 3:05 pm to I Bleed Garnet
The rich will get richer .
Posted on 10/1/19 at 3:16 pm to SOSFAN
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The rich will get richer .
Exactly
I see it only happening 2 ways
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Cali schools do this thinking they pulled a fast one.
NCAA says nope, other states don’t do it.
The Cali schools go die in a Cali football conference
2)
All states pass it.
College football stays just as it is
That said, is there any way that USC or Stanford can say they don’t wanna do this since
they are private schools?
Posted on 10/1/19 at 3:33 pm to SOSFAN
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The rich will get richer
It will basically revert the entire system back to a commerce based model.
Large metropolitan areas with public institutions will have an advantage because of TV and merch potential revenue.
Those programs able to corner a market (particularly TV and streaming subscription based models) will be able to afford more and better players provided we're talking a capless pay model.
Now let's suppose they implement a strictly merit based model with caps, based upon production which would be directly linked to viewer interest, (sic: TV ratings) and merchandise sales. And those caps would be tiered by percentages.
So let's say a winning program generates more ad revenue via TV dollars, streaming rights and merchandise sales.
How do they cut that surplus up among the team?
Players who handle the ball more often inherently are bigger stars. Next comes stellar defensive players. OLinemen and kickers, for instance, would be paid less simply based upon the optics?
Bottom line here is that they are opening up a can of worms, the proverbial genie is being let out of the bottle, amd neither the can or the lamp will be closed again.
Continuing with the cliche themed observations this has been coming for a long time and it is political in nature. It started in earnest when Northwestern players sued under the Obama administration and that DOJ got behind their effort and loosened restrictions that opened doors for our current predicament, if you will. Thus there is no slow, methodical, attempt at a solution, a Gordian Knot approach .... but rather we are going to suffer through a series of knee jerk reactions that will inevitably lead to the destruction of the collegiate level game as we know it.
The solution? I dunno.
Raise stipends perhaps? Redistribution of program profits in a socialistic manner so that all schools receive an equal share? That scares me honestly.
The scariest part is imagining corporations getting involved. Nike and Under Armor dealing with player's agents and directing them to this program or that program. Corporations like Disney getting involved and promising increased exposure to particular programs who sign particular players.
If this doesn't worry everyone, I don't know what will.
California has touched very few things that were/are not eventually ruined. There has been a saying in this country for most of the past 80 decades, "California leads ...."
This will not end well.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 3:44 pm to scrooster
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Large metropolitan areas with public institutions will have an advantage because of TV and merch potential revenue.
This is something I disagree with
Look at those large metropolitan areas
Let’s say NYC. The biggest market in the country
Who’s the closest public school? Rutgers?
Yea sorry Rutgers football jerseys are not competing with the Yankees, Giants, Jets, Knicks , Mets, Rangers, Nets, Islanders etc.
If this was passed by ALL states I don’t see the “bigger markets” doing better because the bigger markets already have a shite product for years that no one cares about
Here’s my example maybe I’m wrong:
Jimmy Jones is a top flight QB, of course Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State and Texas want him.
He’s a sure fire first round pick like Clowney was.
As soon as he signs with a school he will be able to make money off jerseys that have his last name or an autograph session.
If he’s signing with Alabama he’s already signing for one of the if not the premier name in college football.
On top of his name being the biggest in sports, he’s also attached to the most successful program in the sport.
That alone adds even more value to him signing there
Nike will have all of his Alabama jerseys sold nation wide because its Alabama.
He would not get the same value he would if he signed to play at Rutgers.
Just because they are in the NYC market, a market with 0 care for Rutgers as it is.
I don’t see the big markets making much of a run unless there’s already an established program in that market
TLDR;
If this were to pass all over I don’t think schools in big markets would be the winners
I think the already massive/winning programs will just keep winning
This is also not schools paying players. This is kids being able to go out and make money off their likenesses.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 10/1/19 at 4:51 pm to I Bleed Garnet
What you are forgetting IBG are the days when the major metropolitan areas in the northeast, midwest and west coast controlled college football because of two things .... population bases and major media outlets.
Now, with that caveat understood things have changed. Black athletes in the South changed things. TV changed things and gave certain programs national appeal so in that regard I agree.
Let's look at it another way.
We already know what Nike has done for Oregon, agreed? Who's to say Nike will not throw billions at Oregon or Under Armor will not throw billions at Maryland?
What we're also talking about here is the college game basically becoming a farm system for the NFL so let's say the Patriots or Cowboys want to sponsor or back a player to go to Texas or Ohio State or Michigan .... contractually obligate them to join said franchises once they are deemed ready. I mean if states can force this on college athletics where does it stop? See where I am going with this?
Think draft.
Because that's exactly where this is going with college football, A draft and agents and contract negotiations. Otherwise the NFL model becomes outdated and disingenuous and it will be tried in court.
Let prospects choose colleges based upon potential revenue based upon likeness sales and markets .... and the NFL will become the same.
So will colleges have to operate based on salary caps? Will colleges have to participate in drafts? Will some players be treated more favorably than others? What's the point of the education portion of the college experience?
Where does it stop?
Who dictates to whom?
Now, with that caveat understood things have changed. Black athletes in the South changed things. TV changed things and gave certain programs national appeal so in that regard I agree.
Let's look at it another way.
We already know what Nike has done for Oregon, agreed? Who's to say Nike will not throw billions at Oregon or Under Armor will not throw billions at Maryland?
What we're also talking about here is the college game basically becoming a farm system for the NFL so let's say the Patriots or Cowboys want to sponsor or back a player to go to Texas or Ohio State or Michigan .... contractually obligate them to join said franchises once they are deemed ready. I mean if states can force this on college athletics where does it stop? See where I am going with this?
Think draft.
Because that's exactly where this is going with college football, A draft and agents and contract negotiations. Otherwise the NFL model becomes outdated and disingenuous and it will be tried in court.
Let prospects choose colleges based upon potential revenue based upon likeness sales and markets .... and the NFL will become the same.
So will colleges have to operate based on salary caps? Will colleges have to participate in drafts? Will some players be treated more favorably than others? What's the point of the education portion of the college experience?
Where does it stop?
Who dictates to whom?
Posted on 10/1/19 at 5:06 pm to scrooster
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What you are forgetting IBG are the days when the major metropolitan areas in the northeast, midwest and west coast controlled college football because of two things .... population bases and major media outlets.
But this was years ago before the TV anti trust contracts
Now the biggest TV contracts are in the SEC and Big Ten.
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We already know what Nike has done for Oregon, agreed? Who's to say Nike will not throw billions at Oregon or Under Armor will not throw billions at Maryland?
But why wouldn’t Nike also throw billions at Texas, Alabama, Ohio State and Michigan as well?
Teams that already have national fanbases and are valued as some of the most valuable programs in the country.
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What we're also talking about here is the college game basically becoming a farm system for the NFL so let's say the Patriots or Cowboys want to sponsor or back a player to go to Texas or Ohio State or Michigan .... contractually obligate them to join said franchises once they are deemed ready. I mean if states can force this on college athletics where does it stop? See where I am going with this? Think draft.
So you’re saying the cowboys like a kid from HS and will make him go to Texas just so he signs with the cowboys?
That will never pass because of the current NFL CBA.
I don’t think the owners of other teams will ever come together to agree to that
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So will colleges have to operate based on salary caps? Will colleges have to participate in drafts? Will some players be treated more favorably than others? What's the point of the education portion of the college experience?
The way the current bill is worded, it says nothing about the colleges paying players
It’s simply giving these kids the right to make money of their likeness
If while at Clemson, Clemson sells 2 million Trevor Lawrence jerseys
Trevor Lawrence gets a cut.
1) I don’t think it will be accepted by the NCAA
Especially if it’s just 1 state.
They make too much money from the other 90% of D1 football to bend over for what 4 schools? 3 of them that really aren’t worth a shite
I think they’ll tell them to GFY and the California schools will either be like well we will make our own California collegiate conference. Or they’ll squash the bill because too many schools will be not allowed to participate in NCAA sanctioned events
But IF it does stay and other states start doing it to keep up with California, we will have the same teams running college football. As SOS said the rich will just get richer
Yea Phil Knight has Oregon ties, but realistically they’ll make more money throwing it at the premier programs
Same with UA. Sure the guy went to Maryland, but ND is their money maker
As I’ve said I don’t see this getting that far. Sure they passed it but there’s too much being left on the table.
I think they’ll do something like make the stipend larger etc.
States haven’t forced anything yet because the NCAA has come out and said they’re ineligible. Sure we can say the ncaa sucks, it does but one thing they will not stand for is the kids getting illegal benefits
Which by their bylaws right now, is.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 10/1/19 at 5:09 pm to I Bleed Garnet
I’m not saying I’m for this.
I’m not.
I’m just saying how I see it unfolding if this does stay intact.
I don’t see this making Rutgers or Northwestern or Temple or Houston sudden powers because of where they are located.
If this stays the same power programs will still run at a high level like they are now
I also think the NFL will step in possibly change the eligibility for the draft
Maybe right out of Hs. Or just one year in college
I’m not.
I’m just saying how I see it unfolding if this does stay intact.
I don’t see this making Rutgers or Northwestern or Temple or Houston sudden powers because of where they are located.
If this stays the same power programs will still run at a high level like they are now
I also think the NFL will step in possibly change the eligibility for the draft
Maybe right out of Hs. Or just one year in college
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 10/1/19 at 5:25 pm to scrooster
Definitely a can of worms.
What about from the academic side?
What happens when a player flunks out. Player now has zero value. Who sues who? Shoe company sues school for derailing their investment? Player sues shoe company because they dropped him. School sues shoe company because shoe company holds money back due to less value. Vicious circle.
I hope they just say you want money then go pro. Get rid of the 3 year rule. I think it levels the playing field. Let the NFL and/corps invest and develop the player for 3 years
What about from the academic side?
What happens when a player flunks out. Player now has zero value. Who sues who? Shoe company sues school for derailing their investment? Player sues shoe company because they dropped him. School sues shoe company because shoe company holds money back due to less value. Vicious circle.
I hope they just say you want money then go pro. Get rid of the 3 year rule. I think it levels the playing field. Let the NFL and/corps invest and develop the player for 3 years
Posted on 10/1/19 at 5:32 pm to wt9
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What happens when a player flunks out. Player now has zero value. Who sues who? Shoe company sues school for derailing their investment? Player sues shoe company because they dropped him. School sues shoe company because shoe company holds money back due to less value. Vicious circle.
I think we are already there with the big name players with academics
They throw them in athletic majors and coaches/boosters etc make sure these kids don’t fail, from the classes they take to the help they get
IMO the “student” side of a student athlete in the big two sports (among the top ranked players) died a long time ago
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