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re: Comparing Alabama offensive coordinators, Sark, Locks, Dabol, Kiffin

Posted on 9/19/19 at 11:07 am to
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 9/19/19 at 11:07 am to
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I think we get some real funky rose colored glasses for him. His offenses were fine, but man looking back if Saban had embraced the spread revolution early instead of Mcelwain death by run offense, we may be looking at 1-2 more natties.
That isnt McElwain's fault, but I think his success led to us being so behind offensively to adapt.


1. He won two NCs...more than any other OC.

2. He won those NCs with McElroy and McCarron. I don't know that those guys are exactly RPO QBs. Maybe.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 9/19/19 at 11:13 am to
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1. He won two NCs...more than any other OC.

2. He won those NCs with McElroy and McCarron. I don't know that those guys are exactly RPO QBs. Maybe.


We won those with defense, not offense.

I disliked McElwain because he always attacked the short side of the field.

When people talk balance, they tend to look at it in rush yard and passing yards. But when 90% of your passes are WR screens and such, it's not really balanced because you are attacking the short side of the field with the running game and also with the passing game.

You really need to launch some mid range and deep balls to keep the defense from shorting up.

But I mean as far as those times go, we won on defense. And the 2009 year was especially bad later in the year because everyone was shorting the field on us because McElroy couldn't hit much of anything deep. So we put Ingram in the wildcat just for the numbers advantage up close and had success that way. Had some great running lines then too.

Posted by Tider95
Tuscaloosa
Member since Dec 2017
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Posted on 9/19/19 at 11:20 am to
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He won two NCs...more than any other OC.

I'm not saying he cost us a natty with how he coached, I'm saying his success (which was incredible in terms of NCs)led to the Nussball days. I often wonder what happens if instead of Kiffin 2014 to change to spread, Saban makes the changes after Jim left.

Obviously we won in 12, but 13 and 14 were (for me) all about mismatched pieces offensively and defensively as Saban scrambled to match the spread evo on defense along with still wanting to be a ball control offense and the cracks from that leading to offensive duds in key games. Also, Imagine Sims as a spread qb, being able to actually spend 2 years there learning going into 14.

I know that I'm purely speculating, it's just been something that's been in the back of my mind since Saban made the decision to bring in Kiffin in 14.
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 11:22 am
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