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Why Stars Dont Always Matter

Posted on 8/13/18 at 4:39 pm
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
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Posted on 8/13/18 at 4:39 pm

On the day Rayshad Jackson signed with Florida back in 2015, the doubters quickly latched onto the lightly recruited prospect from Miami and haven’t let go, their number only growing over the course of his time in Gainesville.

Now, heading into his redshirt junior season, Jackson is lining up to shoo away all those doubters, and shut them up for good.

“I’m excited to prove all the doubters wrong,” he said.

Jackson is in a position to do that now.

After seeing most of his playing time on special teams in his first two seasons, Jackson is now looking at getting serious and substantial reps on defense following a strong spring, a good summer and an even better preseason camp so far.

Jackson is getting a lot of snaps with the No. 1 defense. Even if he doesn’t start, he’s solidly in the playing rotation at both inside linebacker spots.

He’s earned it.

“He’s doing a great job,” linebackers coach Christian Robinson said. “He’s a guy that listens and puts in extra time. I’m very similar to him. I like to watch tape, I like to talk about what’s going on and just, ‘Hey, what would happen if this happened?’ He cares. If you’ve got a roomful of guys that care you’re going to be successful.”

Jackson has cared all along, even when he wasn’t seeing much, if any, playing time on defense. He kept working hard in practice, sometimes on the scout team, and kept hustling and making plays on special teams, where his athleticism and striking ability made him a key player.

Then Jackson really started to care when coach Dan Mullen and his staff took over the program. The arrival of a new coaching staff meant a new chance for Jackson, and he grabbed it and ran with it in the spring.

“During the off time before the spring I had to sit down and evaluate myself,” he said. “In spring, it was a new defense, it was new to everybody. I had to take advantage and progress. And that’s what I did.”

Jackson made a good early impression on Robinson and defensive coordinator Todd Grantham with his hustle and instincts, and things have kind of progressed from there.

He pushed the starters for playing time last spring and eventually ended up seeing practice time with the starting defense. He’s pushing for a starting role now at inside linebacker alongside junior David Reese.

“Rayshad has done a great job of getting in the playbook and just attacking it,” Reese said. “He is going to be the guy that’s going to put in the extra time and do what he needs to do in order to get on the field. As long as he knows what he has to do he is more than capable of making plays on the field.”

Jackson definitely knows what to do on the field. He buries himself in Grantham’s defensive playbook for hours every day, even now during preseason camp.

“All the time, every night, every time after practice, in the morning,” he said. “About eight hours a day.”

Jackson knew the old playbook well, also. But that wasn’t enough to convince the former coaching staff to play him much on defense.

He said the former coaches were among his doubters.

“It was not so discouraging, it was just sad because I knew I could play,” Jackson said. “But they didn’t trust me. That’s it.

“I guess the last coaching staff, in my opinion, they didn’t trust me enough to play me. The new coaching staff, they trust me and I can go play now.”

Even though Jackson will be getting his chance to play on defense this fall, he hasn’t forgotten where he came from. He’ll continue to play on special teams.

That’s the kind of player he is — a team player,” Robinson said.

“I just see him wanting to give his best for the team. I see him trying to want to be his best and be a part of this linebacking corps and contribute.

“I told everybody if you think you’re going to play all 90 reps, you’re kidding yourself. I’d like to have a room full of guys playing 30 reps and maybe having some younger guys get in there when we do what we’re supposed to do. I see him not kind of stressing out, he’s just trying to be a part of the group and be the best he can be.”

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This post was edited on 8/13/18 at 4:41 pm
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
39445 posts
Posted on 8/13/18 at 4:40 pm to
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On the day Rayshad Jackson signed with Florida back in 2015


who?
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 8/13/18 at 4:43 pm to
Someone who has earned possible starting or backup duty at LB making depth much better. This is a prime example of why upperclassmen are needed on defense to win more games and why UGA will lose 2-3 games this year...they lost all their LBs.
Posted by BloodSweat&Beers
One Particular Harbor, Fl
Member since Jan 2012
9153 posts
Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:45 pm to
Rayshad Jackson has barely seen the field. I have not seen him in any of the projected two deeps. Miller and Houston have passed him on the depth chart.

Kylan Johnson is who you are thinking of.
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 8/13/18 at 10:48 pm to
BSB I wasn't thinking of anyone...read the post ...its from Gatorsports...not me. Geez.

That's the point of the story...he has labored on special teams and has worked his arse off to possibly start or be a second team ILB.

I could name plenty of Gators who did not develop until they were jrs. I love success stories...don't you?
Posted by UFMatt
Proud again to be an American
Member since Oct 2010
12770 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 8:31 am to
You have to have some talent to work with, but good coaches can make guys with talent into a great players. some guys develop later than others. Good coaches find these diamonds in the rough and coach them up.

Kerwin Bell and Cris Doering were both walked on. Anyone want to names some more Gator greats that weren't 5 star players and led us to Championships?
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:46 am to
The best safety that ever played at UF was Louis Oliver, a walk on from Belle Glade, was Academic AA and sister was on track squad. He was 6'1" 215 and with Jarvis Williams alongside they terrorized WRs. Oliver had the best quote I have heard from a DB " I like to hit them so hard their teeth clatter". Was a first rounder to Miami and rejoined Jarvis there.
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
11045 posts
Posted on 8/14/18 at 3:20 pm to
This shite again? Lol.
Posted by UFMatt
Proud again to be an American
Member since Oct 2010
12770 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 7:47 am to
quote:

This shite again? Lol.


Only happens when the younger members get hung up on how many 5* recruits we have and us older Gators have to remind everyone that Gator history is filled with stories of players that were not highly recruited, that just wanted to be Gators and came to UF and made a difference. The heart and desire can't always be measured by stars. Go Gators!
Posted by BloodSweat&Beers
One Particular Harbor, Fl
Member since Jan 2012
9153 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 8:59 am to
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Only happens when the younger members get hung up on how many 5* recruits we have and us older Gators have to remind everyone that Gator history is filled with stories of players that were not highly recruited, that just wanted to be Gators and came to UF and made a difference. The heart and desire can't always be measured by stars. Go Gators!


Gator history is filled more with highly recruited players. Everyone is chasing Bama because they do two things better than anyone.

1. Recruit better than anyone.
2. Get the egos to buy into the process, if not they are gone because see #1
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
11045 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 11:06 am to
How many championships did uf win before the 90s? I can’t remember....
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
39445 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 12:11 pm to
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How many championships did uf win before the 90s? I can’t remember....


EXTRA! EXTRA! READ ALL ABOUT IT!!!!

FLORIDA GET'S IT'S FIRST EVER SHOT AT THE SEC TITLE AFTER 85 YEARS OF EXISTENCE!!!


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Posted by UFMatt
Proud again to be an American
Member since Oct 2010
12770 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 12:16 pm to
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How many championships did uf win before the 90s? I can’t remember....


1984 and 1985. With a walk on QB!
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
39445 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 12:52 pm to
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1984 and 1985. With a walk on QB!

bruh, we were on probabtion. we didn't win shite.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 1:03 pm to
The problem with this discussion is that both sides misrepresent the other:

Stars don't always matter gets misinterpreted to mean that they don't matter at all when obviously they have an impact.

Similarly, other people rarely say: Stars are the only thing to matter.

Obviously, coaching up players, playing scheme make a difference -- see UCF's team entirely comprised of 3-stars beating an Auburn team almost entirely comprised of blue chips.

I think this argument is just silly for everyone, because no one really argues what the other person is actually arguing, and the most obvious points are those ubiquitously agreed upon.
Posted by UFMatt
Proud again to be an American
Member since Oct 2010
12770 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 1:24 pm to
quote:

bruh, we were on probabtion. we didn't win shite.


We won the SEC in 1984 and it was stripped after the fact, so we did win shite. We also won a National Championship in 1984. I have seen the trophy, I have the collectors special addition Coke bottle and the team still has their rings, so it happened. In 1985 we were ranked number 1 and would have tied for the SEC Championship, but we were on probation so...... And with a walk on QB, which was the reason for the post.
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
11045 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 4:19 pm to
I just get so sick of these posts every few weeks or so.

We know stars don’t ALWAYS matter. There are plenty of anecdotes to choose from.

But taken in total, it matters quite a bit.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 5:30 pm to
Yeah, I totally get it and I understood that both sides are simply not seeing the other well enough.

I think the conversation should start:

Stars matter statistically speaking. (Yes or No)
Stars are not completely exclusive, there are outliers. (Yes or No)

If someone answers No to either question you know that the person you're debating isn't going to be provided evidence -- because I think the evidence speaks for itself. We shouldn't be relying on a scenario that's worked once in ~40 years.
Posted by BloodSweat&Beers
One Particular Harbor, Fl
Member since Jan 2012
9153 posts
Posted on 8/15/18 at 5:46 pm to
Completely agree that there are outliers but a team full of 5 stars beats a team full of 3 stars.
Posted by UFMatt
Proud again to be an American
Member since Oct 2010
12770 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 7:50 am to
quote:

Completely agree that there are outliers but a team full of 5 stars beats a team full of 3 stars.


More than not, but not always.
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