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What is your initial response to allegations of abuse?

Posted on 8/1/18 at 10:31 pm
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46657 posts
Posted on 8/1/18 at 10:31 pm
The Meyer case got me thinking, what is the appropriate way to approach the allegations when someone accuses a spouse/co-worker/etc. of physical or sexual abuse? It seems that these cases are so often he said/she said and the accused are generally always convicted in the court of public opinion immediately.

I'll admit, depending on the circumstances my initial reaction is often skepticism. I know everyone should be innocent until proven otherwise but for most alleged crimes I like most people assume the accused did it especially if an arrest is made. For alleged abuse however for whatever reason I frequently find myself wondering what the motive for fabricating this might be.

I have no personal experience with physical or sexual abuse and have never known anyone falsely accused, so I really don't know why my mind works that way for this specific type of crime.
This post was edited on 8/1/18 at 10:32 pm
Posted by KSGamecock
The Woodlands, TX
Member since May 2012
22982 posts
Posted on 8/1/18 at 10:40 pm to
Depends on your position I think, and the nature of the allegation.

I've had two people I supervise accused of sexual harassment and I treated them no different on a personal level. It wasn't my business until the investigation concluded but I did allow them to cut out of work early occasionally to blow off some steam from the stress of it.

About six months ago a woman at work was being terminated for multiple no-shows and accused me and two other males of sexually harassing her...specifically that we were running a pool on who would have sex with her first. I was investigated and exonerated...it was shitty but people didn't act any different around me, though I'm sure there were rumors.

If it was my friend, family, or spouse I would just support them privately and if asked about it publicly say that as far as I know the person, it isn't in my opinion within their character to do such a thing and given our relationship I will support them regardless.

The zero-defect society people are trying to create is stupid. Everyone is going to screw up eventually because we all have flaws. I'm not going to write someone off entirely because they said some lewd things to someone at one point in their life.
This post was edited on 8/1/18 at 10:43 pm
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 8/1/18 at 10:46 pm to
I've been falsely accused of sexual assault and I've had a girlfriend in the past hit herself to pretend that I was beating her.

This is to say that I'm going to need some very strong evidence, and if someone comes to me about it all I would say is: Tell the police. Let them sort it out unless I have verifiable evidence and from there it depends on the level of friendship I have with the person who is the victim/abuser.
Posted by KSGamecock
The Woodlands, TX
Member since May 2012
22982 posts
Posted on 8/1/18 at 10:58 pm to
I keep thinking of allegations of sexual harassment toward someone I think would be innocent but I’m not sure what I’d do if it was abuse or rape. I don’t have any friends that I think would do those things but I do have some that I could believe would sexually harass someone, or at least say things that could be construed that way and I’m not sure what I’d do. I’d probably still support them. Rape or abuse I don’t know...it would entirely depend on the allegation and person.


...but if you’re in any position of authority over a person like Urban was you can’t just pretend you didn’t hear the allegation. You have to go to authorities with it.
This post was edited on 8/1/18 at 11:00 pm
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 8/1/18 at 11:46 pm to
Any person that tells me, regardless if they're my friend or subordinate, if they tell me that they're the victim sexual harassment, abuse or assault, I tell them to go to the cops, file a report. Even if it doesn't stick, they'll have something for later.

Most guys who do that always do it, so just start the paper trail immediately. I'd probably report it, though, as a supervisor if they refused to and I would definitely terminate/suspend the person if there was an investigation filed.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
71471 posts
Posted on 8/2/18 at 8:29 am to
I’ve been skeptical with most of these cases. But then many of the accused have all but admitted their wrongs with written apologies.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 8/2/18 at 8:50 am to
I think it today's climate, you have to take the allegations seriously and thoroughly investigate them, especially in an professional environment.

I was involved in one in the mid 90's at an office I interned at over the summer. One of the female managers was accused of sexually harassing a male co-worker. He only raised a stink because his wife caught him flirting back with her sexually suggestive comments. I got roped in because I witnessed a lot of their flirtatious conversations. They fired the guy and the wife filed for divorce soon after.

Personally, I generally believe the women accusers because I've been around men long enough to know how they behave.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68160 posts
Posted on 8/2/18 at 9:35 am to
There are AT LEAST 4 things that a woman can accuse a man of and he's guilty until proven innocent and I'm living proof so I take EVERY allegation with a grain of salt.
Posted by kevind1965
Davenport, Florida
Member since Oct 2013
442 posts
Posted on 8/2/18 at 9:51 am to
The bottom line is that it happens both ways: people do get abused and/or assaulted AND people also make shite up for various reasons as well. I can tell you some crazy stories that people have made up. The main problem that I have with the way society and law enforcement handles these things now days is that the accused is automatically convicted in the court of public opinion in most cases. Even when exonerated after investigation, the damage has already been done. It violates the greatest principle of the American justice system: the presumption on innocence until proven guilty. We now live in a society that has taught people to embrace being a victim whether they truly are or not. In trying to answer your original question, I think the responsibility and accountability needs to lay squarely within the two parties involved because they are the only ones who really know what's going on in the situation. Holding an outside party responsible for not reporting something that you are not directly involved in is just wrong.
This post was edited on 8/2/18 at 1:50 pm
Posted by Pavoloco83
Acworth Ga. too many damn dawgs
Member since Nov 2013
15347 posts
Posted on 8/2/18 at 11:31 am to
quote:

I've been falsely accused of sexual assault and I've had a girlfriend in the past hit herself to pretend that I was beating her.


This goes back to the old but true saying... "Never stick your dick in crazy".
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 8/2/18 at 2:32 pm to
Anyone can be crazy even without warning signs. Try to break up with a crazy girl and that's when you know it even though before she had shown no signs.

I always tell people to keep texts and other evidence because it's so unbelievably easy to set up a man since women have a forcefield regarding sexual harassment and assault.
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