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Posted on 8/1/18 at 11:03 am to
Posted by House77
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 8/1/18 at 11:03 am to
Very true... I know tons of union guys who are happy to do side work, even in other trades, which would cost others work.

That said, as I said above, I don't have anything against them. But they obviously can be as corrupt as any other business or organization. To mandate someone must join one in order to secure a job is inherently un-American to me. If the union is doing its job, and protecting those its says it will, people will pay their dues. If they don't get anything out of it, they won't. That's only right...

One last point: Yes, economic growth is stronger in RTW states for a reason. In this economy where it's easier to move than ever before, business doesn't want to work with many difficult unions. They'll move elsewhere in a friendlier environment.

Take my company for example. We host trade shows all across the country. We purposefully avoid union strongholds like Chicago because of the unions. They're so oppressive that its decreases the efficiency of our shows, and dramatically increases the expense. We take our business elsewhere.

Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
18099 posts
Posted on 8/1/18 at 11:39 am to
quote:

ery true... I know tons of union guys who are happy to do side work, even in other trades, which would cost others work.

That said, as I said above, I don't have anything against them. But they obviously can be as corrupt as any other business or organization. To mandate someone must join one in order to secure a job is inherently un-American to me. If the union is doing its job, and protecting those its says it will, people will pay their dues. If they don't get anything out of it, they won't. That's only right...

One last point: Yes, economic growth is stronger in RTW states for a reason. In this economy where it's easier to move than ever before, business doesn't want to work with many difficult unions. They'll move elsewhere in a friendlier environment.

Take my company for example. We host trade shows all across the country. We purposefully avoid union strongholds like Chicago because of the unions. They're so oppressive that its decreases the efficiency of our shows, and dramatically increases the expense. We take our business elsewhere.


Ding ding ding.

And if you breakdown the wage argument:

LINK

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Unions have responded with empirical research finding right-to-work states have lower wages. However, this research used statistically biased methods to control for costs of living. Correcting this reveals right-to-work laws have little effect on private-sector wages. Controlling for other factors, right-to-work states also have 1.3 percentage point lower unemployment rates than non-right-to-work states. Unions do not provide economic benefits that justify forcing workers to pay their dues.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111705 posts
Posted on 8/1/18 at 6:46 pm to
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We host trade shows all across the country. We purposefully avoid union strongholds like Chicago because of the unions.


I love paying $400 for simply moving my container from the loading dock to my exhibit spot. What’s wrong with you? You don’t?
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