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SEC Football - composite standings since 2010 & 2012...
Posted on 1/10/18 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 1/10/18 at 2:16 pm
we appear to have survived the 2015 transition season and Boom has Carolina back on solid ground. interesting composite, especially with change again in Knoxville & Gainesville - College Station, too.
Since 2010
Alabama 55-9
LSU 45-19
Georgia 44-20
Florida 37-27
Auburn 35-29
Carolina 35-29
Miss State 30-34
Ole Miss 29-35
Arkansas 25-39
Tennessee 18-46
Kentucky 16-48
Vanderbilt 14-50
Since 2012 Expansion
Alabama 43-5
Georgia 34-14
LSU 31-17
Florida 30-18
Texas AM 25-23
Carolina 24-24
Miss State 24-24
Auburn 23-25
Missouri 23-25
Ole Miss 22-26
Tennessee 15-33
Arkansas 13-35
Kentucky 12-36
Vanderbilt 11-37
winless SEC seasons since 2010 - Arkansas (2013), Auburn (2012), Kentucky (2012 & 2013), Tennessee (2017), Vanderbilt (2014)
USC's record could easily be 40-24 this decade had it not wasted 3 games vs UK and 2 to UTK since 2013.
Gamecocks have bowl wins over Nebraska, Michigan (twice), Wisconsin, UMiami this decade as well. 5-2 bowl record.
Since 2010
Alabama 55-9
LSU 45-19
Georgia 44-20
Florida 37-27
Auburn 35-29
Carolina 35-29
Miss State 30-34
Ole Miss 29-35
Arkansas 25-39
Tennessee 18-46
Kentucky 16-48
Vanderbilt 14-50
Since 2012 Expansion
Alabama 43-5
Georgia 34-14
LSU 31-17
Florida 30-18
Texas AM 25-23
Carolina 24-24
Miss State 24-24
Auburn 23-25
Missouri 23-25
Ole Miss 22-26
Tennessee 15-33
Arkansas 13-35
Kentucky 12-36
Vanderbilt 11-37
winless SEC seasons since 2010 - Arkansas (2013), Auburn (2012), Kentucky (2012 & 2013), Tennessee (2017), Vanderbilt (2014)
USC's record could easily be 40-24 this decade had it not wasted 3 games vs UK and 2 to UTK since 2013.
Gamecocks have bowl wins over Nebraska, Michigan (twice), Wisconsin, UMiami this decade as well. 5-2 bowl record.
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Posted on 1/10/18 at 3:17 pm to 1801
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winless SEC seasons since 2010, Auburn (2012),
I find that nuts.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:18 am to 1801
Good Lord the Vols have fallen on hard times. Arkansas is coming off its worst 6 year stretch in the history of the program and we are running about neck and neck with Tennessee.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 2:08 pm to 1801
It's amazing what three consecutive 11 win seasons will do for your standings.
I was thinking aboit it last night ... if we can average just 9 wins a season for thr next ten years beginning this past season, and average a simple 5-3 conference record, it would certainly change things and lead to bigger things IMHO. Simply hitting a 9 win average would probably lead to a 9.5 average in the same span of time but hitting a double-digit average would be a surmisable hump ... after all, we're not playing in the ACC.
By that I mean Clemson has averaged 10 wins over the past ten seasons simply by virtue of playing in the ACC and having five or six gimmes a season. That's huge compared to our two or three gimmes a season during the same ten years.
By that I mean while we were playing UNC and NC State and they were not gimmes ... so were they and neither were they gimmes for Clemson.
At the same time they had Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia to go along with at least two scrimmage type games which we schedule as well ... and we lost one of those to The Citadel, which hurt us in the overall scheme of things.
At the same time SEC programs are far less likely to have completely down seasons, consecutively, than their counterparts in the ACC top to bottom.
Clemson has had to schedule well outside of their conference schedule by adding the likes of Auburn and Texas A&M to their regular season slates. We, in turn, have stepped-up by playing UNC and NC State during some of their better campaigns.
It's the conference slate that makes it far more difficult for us to get over the 9.5 avg because SEC football is simply far more competitive top-to-bottom year-in and year-out ... with the possible exception of this past season but still, if anything, it was even overall. Even when looking at the league vs league record, which the ACC won ... it's not an even comparison because the victorious ACC teams were not matched-up with their equal from the SEC with the exception of FSU/Florida. Now, Clemson was, of course, ranked higher than SC and UGA was ranked higher than Ga Tech so those three games basically cancel each other out. It's the other games where there was some disparity.
The most interesting was the Auburn at Clemson game played at Clemson where Auburn was still young and new yet they were stopped twice on the 1 yard line ... home field made the difference.
The SEC was very young this past year ... it'll get back to normal this coming season.
Given all of this, SC and Boom have put themselves in a position to make a move up the ladder. We've surpassed Tennessee for all intentional purposes provided we go at least 6-4 against them over the next ten seasons.
We have to beat Kentucky ... as elluded to earlier in this thread that one is a must. We need to go on another ten year win streak against them and that should be doable, although tougher than the last time.
Same with Vandy ... gotta beat them every year.
UF will not be dowb for long so we have to envision, at best, splitting with them over the next ten years.
UGA is looking like the 300 pound gorilla. Unless we really step-up our recruiting it's gonna be tough breaking even with them however, 4-6 would be respectable because not many programs are going to go toe-to-toe with them during that frame of time.
A&M is where we really must turn it around.
Mizzou we should dominate.
Our other rotating opponents from the West ... I'm glad Arkansas is off our slate for awhile but we've got Miss State, Alabama and Auburn coming-up and all of these are going to be keys to reaching our goals and hitting that 9 game average.
It's probably the rosiest outlook for our football program in our history and this past season put it in motion. Now, this coming season is critical ... we have got to take advantage of it and hope to win 10 or 11 games. It will change everything in our favor.
I was thinking aboit it last night ... if we can average just 9 wins a season for thr next ten years beginning this past season, and average a simple 5-3 conference record, it would certainly change things and lead to bigger things IMHO. Simply hitting a 9 win average would probably lead to a 9.5 average in the same span of time but hitting a double-digit average would be a surmisable hump ... after all, we're not playing in the ACC.
By that I mean Clemson has averaged 10 wins over the past ten seasons simply by virtue of playing in the ACC and having five or six gimmes a season. That's huge compared to our two or three gimmes a season during the same ten years.
By that I mean while we were playing UNC and NC State and they were not gimmes ... so were they and neither were they gimmes for Clemson.
At the same time they had Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia to go along with at least two scrimmage type games which we schedule as well ... and we lost one of those to The Citadel, which hurt us in the overall scheme of things.
At the same time SEC programs are far less likely to have completely down seasons, consecutively, than their counterparts in the ACC top to bottom.
Clemson has had to schedule well outside of their conference schedule by adding the likes of Auburn and Texas A&M to their regular season slates. We, in turn, have stepped-up by playing UNC and NC State during some of their better campaigns.
It's the conference slate that makes it far more difficult for us to get over the 9.5 avg because SEC football is simply far more competitive top-to-bottom year-in and year-out ... with the possible exception of this past season but still, if anything, it was even overall. Even when looking at the league vs league record, which the ACC won ... it's not an even comparison because the victorious ACC teams were not matched-up with their equal from the SEC with the exception of FSU/Florida. Now, Clemson was, of course, ranked higher than SC and UGA was ranked higher than Ga Tech so those three games basically cancel each other out. It's the other games where there was some disparity.
The most interesting was the Auburn at Clemson game played at Clemson where Auburn was still young and new yet they were stopped twice on the 1 yard line ... home field made the difference.
The SEC was very young this past year ... it'll get back to normal this coming season.
Given all of this, SC and Boom have put themselves in a position to make a move up the ladder. We've surpassed Tennessee for all intentional purposes provided we go at least 6-4 against them over the next ten seasons.
We have to beat Kentucky ... as elluded to earlier in this thread that one is a must. We need to go on another ten year win streak against them and that should be doable, although tougher than the last time.
Same with Vandy ... gotta beat them every year.
UF will not be dowb for long so we have to envision, at best, splitting with them over the next ten years.
UGA is looking like the 300 pound gorilla. Unless we really step-up our recruiting it's gonna be tough breaking even with them however, 4-6 would be respectable because not many programs are going to go toe-to-toe with them during that frame of time.
A&M is where we really must turn it around.
Mizzou we should dominate.
Our other rotating opponents from the West ... I'm glad Arkansas is off our slate for awhile but we've got Miss State, Alabama and Auburn coming-up and all of these are going to be keys to reaching our goals and hitting that 9 game average.
It's probably the rosiest outlook for our football program in our history and this past season put it in motion. Now, this coming season is critical ... we have got to take advantage of it and hope to win 10 or 11 games. It will change everything in our favor.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 4:35 pm to scrooster
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Our other rotating opponents from the West ... I'm glad Arkansas is off our slate for awhile but we've got Miss State, Alabama and Auburn coming-up and all of these are going to be keys to reaching our goals and hitting that 9 game average.
I think State will take a step back. Alabama and Auburn though... Well if you want to play in the big boy leagues you have to beat the big boy teams.
You will note the last Arkansas coach was 1-9 against them... and Bielema is unemployed.
Alabama is Alabama, they are beatable, they have two or so bad games a year but you have to capitalize on the opportunity. We had an unforced fumble from a back about to cross into the end zone when we had them on the ropes. We lost and Bielema never came close after that to beating them.
Auburn is an odd one though. They are a big momentum team. If things are going their way they can blow you out by 50 without breaking a sweat. If things aren't...
They have lost at least 4 games the last three years. Which is problematic when your are touting yourself as an elite program. This year they beat both teams in the national title game... but still lost 4 games.
If USC can keep Auburn from jumping out to a big lead, and I think Muschamp spending a year as Auburn DC could help a lot with that... then I like your chances. Malzahan tends to seize up in close games and start trying to run plays that just aren't working.
The big keys for the Gamecocks are Kentucky, Vanderbilt, and Mizzou.
While Ole Miss has been the buddy that will drive across three state lines and spend his penny to bail you out for Arkansas lately, we've lost a lot to Mississippi State... a team we've historically dominated. We are oh for Jesus against A&M as well... another team we have a ton of wins against. Add an extra win or two to most of Bielema's years and there is a good chance he's still waddling the sidelines in Fayetteville.
You have to put your thang down on all three teams. Missouri you can drop some games too. You can't let Kentucky or Vanderbilt get a win.
If you do that, and pull off a win against Clemson or Georgia, then you are standing in high cotton. Put together a couple of ten win seasons with a coach that isn't looking to ride out the last few years of his career before retirement and a lot of those players that Clemson has been landing start to fall your way.
Right now the only thing going against USC is that you play Georgia and Clemson each year. If you start getting some wins from either program... well we know that the area produces enough talent to make it to the national title game don't we?
USC could be standing on the brink of greatness right now.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 4:53 pm to scrooster
quote:the road venues without a doubt. odd years Carolina plays in Sanford, Kneeland & Kyle Field - full houses. even years it's the Swamp and a rotating West venue more often than not (LSU 2012, Auburn 2014, MSU 2016).
It's the conference slate that makes it far more difficult for us
the school up in the NW corner of SC plays in Williams-Brice & Tallahassee every other year - opposite years - and Blacksburg every 6 or so years. that's it.
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We've surpassed Tennessee
quote:in a strange dynamic, USC has beaten those 2 in the same season just 4 times since 1992 --- 2005, 2008, 2011, 2012. the UK series has become an albatross since 2014, full of self-inflicted woes. a 3rd straight win for USC over UTK at W-B in 2018 would give the Gamecocks a 6-3 advantage this decade. that includes the 2 throwaway wins USC had in 2013/2014.
We have to beat Kentucky
with coaching changes again at UF & UTK, there is a window in the East that allows for both USC and UGA to battle it out much like UF/UTK did in the 90's - as the 2 stable programs.
as far as Texas AM, you said it best. if that series doesn't at least become a home-home 50/50 winner for USC, it will be hard to make it to Atlanta. Carolina has the best draw of perm-West opponents when compared to UGA(AUB), UTK(Bama) and UF(LSU). it's time USC starts winning that game.
West opponents 2018
UF - @MSU, LSU (back-to-back)
GA - @LSU, AUB
TN - @AUB, ALA (back-to-back)
SC - TxAM, @OM
Posted on 1/11/18 at 5:11 pm to 1801
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as far as Texas AM, you said it best. if that series doesn't at least become a home-home 50/50 winner for USC, it will be hard to make it to Atlanta. Carolina has the best draw of perm-West opponents when compared to UGA(AUB), UTK(Bama) and UF(LSU). it's time USC starts winning that game.
West opponents 2018
UF - @MSU, LSU (back-to-back)
GA - @LSU, AUB
TN - @AUB, ALA (back-to-back)
SC - TxAM, @OM
There's the bottom line biggie right there. We have got to start winning against the West. We definitely have the easier path this coming season ... at least on paper at the moment.
I'm definitely going back to Oxford.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:10 pm to 1801
Does this put us in the Big 6?
Posted on 1/12/18 at 7:43 am to TiptonInSC
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Does this put us in the Big 6?
I'd say so.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 8:16 am to 1801
So 1801 I was showing this to some of the guys at breakfast this morning ... cool stuff, none of them had s clue.
Then one of our breakfast club members says, "most of the recruits signing this year and next year were born in 2000.
I hadn't thought of that, selling the "in your lifetime" tradition.
Is there some way I could impose upon you to do the breakdown since 2000? ... this millennium basically, this century.
Then one of our breakfast club members says, "most of the recruits signing this year and next year were born in 2000.
I hadn't thought of that, selling the "in your lifetime" tradition.
Is there some way I could impose upon you to do the breakdown since 2000? ... this millennium basically, this century.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 2:13 pm to scrooster
2000-09
Florida 61-19
Georgia 55-25
LSU 55-25
Auburn 52-28
Tennessee 51-29
Alabama 46-34
Carolina 42-38
Arkansas 36-44
Ole Miss 33-47
Kentucky 20-60
Miss State 20-60
Vanderbilt 13-67
Since 2010
Alabama 55-9
LSU 45-19
Georgia 44-20
Florida 37-27
Auburn 35-29
Carolina 35-29
Miss State 30-34
Ole Miss 29-35
Arkansas 25-39
Tennessee 18-46
Kentucky 16-48
Vanderbilt 14-50
2000-Present
Alabama 101-43
LSU 100-44
Georgia 99-45
Florida 98-46
Auburn 87-57
Carolina 77-67
Tennessee 69-75
Ole Miss 62-82
Arkansas 61-83
Miss State 50-94
Kentucky 36-108
Vanderbilt 27-117
I guess that 0-8 Butch posted this year had more of an impact than just letting Georgia pass Tennessee into 2nd place for all-time SEC wins...
Florida 61-19
Georgia 55-25
LSU 55-25
Auburn 52-28
Tennessee 51-29
Alabama 46-34
Carolina 42-38
Arkansas 36-44
Ole Miss 33-47
Kentucky 20-60
Miss State 20-60
Vanderbilt 13-67
Since 2010
Alabama 55-9
LSU 45-19
Georgia 44-20
Florida 37-27
Auburn 35-29
Carolina 35-29
Miss State 30-34
Ole Miss 29-35
Arkansas 25-39
Tennessee 18-46
Kentucky 16-48
Vanderbilt 14-50
2000-Present
Alabama 101-43
LSU 100-44
Georgia 99-45
Florida 98-46
Auburn 87-57
Carolina 77-67
Tennessee 69-75
Ole Miss 62-82
Arkansas 61-83
Miss State 50-94
Kentucky 36-108
Vanderbilt 27-117
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Carolina 77-67
Tennessee 69-75
I guess that 0-8 Butch posted this year had more of an impact than just letting Georgia pass Tennessee into 2nd place for all-time SEC wins...
This post was edited on 1/12/18 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 1/12/18 at 4:13 pm to 1801
Muchos gratzias!
Wow, yeah, 0-8 definitely had some bearing!
Wow, yeah, 0-8 definitely had some bearing!
Posted on 1/12/18 at 4:20 pm to 1801
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Tennessee 69-75
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