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re: Pat Dooley Podcast: “Lets ride it out. Firing everyone isn’t always the answer.”

Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:36 am to
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
35919 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:36 am to
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Mond

has a coach that can develop him to be a game manager. that's all they need.

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Fromm

has a coach that can develop him to be a game manager. that's all they need.

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Kasim Hill

has a coach that can develop him to be a game manager. that's all they need.

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Franks

does not have a coach that can develop him to be a game manager.
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
19837 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:41 am to
Its funny, everyone on here said LDR was a pretty good game manager.

You're not good at this, are you?
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
19837 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:50 am to
Mond has a Coach on the Hotseat for lack of game managers

Fromm has 2 nfl backs behind him. We ll see how he does next yr without that luxury when he has to actually contribute more to win than handing off and passing 12 times a game

Kasim Hill has 67 yards passing in 2 games combined vs non cupcakes. If Franks avgd 30 yards a game, your head would explode.



Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
35919 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:55 am to
actually, i never questioned his talent. it was his confidence and injuries that led to his suckage that i mostly had a problem with.
Posted by gatordmb89
Member since Dec 2009
30462 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 2:05 pm to
Ranked in order of importance of winning...

QB
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Posted by tjv305
Member since May 2015
12521 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 4:08 pm to
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Ppl need to acknowledge the fact that we havent had a QB in years. These transfers were just bandaids to hold us over. Grier did pretty decent. Treon was awful These other guys came from other teams where they couldnt start for those coaches, what made ppl think they were going to be a savior here i have no idea. Next year if everything stays the course we'll have our best set of QBs in years


I think everyone knows that we haven't had a QB other then Grier. I think Franks has the talent but either the coaching sucks or he is just a bone head . He makes mistakes that are uncalled for . At what point does it become the coaches fault that the offense can't improve?

I don't think any fans thought the transfers were going to improve the team . You would have to ask Mac why they wasted scholarships on guys that couldn't start at Purdue , Vandy and ND.

On average this year we should have the best group of QBs we have had in a long time . Maybe since Muschamps first year . It seems like we are going to have to many QBs . I wonder if they try to get some guys to leave . We have 4-5 QBs that will return next year plus one or two freshmen.
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
19837 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 4:20 pm to
I think after Treon he took what he could get
Posted by tjv305
Member since May 2015
12521 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 4:35 pm to
Do you not agree that the QB situation is on Mac ? It's his 3rd year and it seems he still doesn't have a QB. Do you think Mac will be able turn things around here and start winning conference championships ? Will he be able to get this offense in the top half of the conference?
Posted by atlgator
Jacksonville, Atlanta, Gainesville
Member since Aug 2014
5520 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 4:40 pm to
I do think it's his fault. But I also think he's had bad luck. Grier would be incredible for us at this point had he not fricked our program


I think Mac can win championships here. I really do, and here's why: his offenses have been successful with less talented teams than what we currently have. I think he needs to cut ties from Nuss, keep this possible top 5 class together and get these guys signed, keep the 2019 class together and sign another top 5 class, and hire an OC that will have a better feel for playcalling and QB development. He's made some really good hires since his initial staff, and I think he'll make a good OC hire. I think it's silly to call to fire a head coach that's done what he's done for the program as a whole so far.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:07 pm to
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I think Mac can win championships here. I really do, and here's why: his offenses have been successful with less talented teams than what we currently have.


A lot of Gator fans don't realize that no one else was even looking at Malik Davis or Toney. That's the kind of shite that I love to see because I know: Our backups are going to be ready to go.

If any other coaches had gotten a whiff of either of them, they might not have come here. Why do they think players of their caliber, ready to contribute in the SEC as freshmen, came to our school knowing that they might not see the field for a few years?

Because no other team at this level gave them the opportunity.

Toney didn't get his offers from Alabama or Auburn until he was committed to Florida. South Carolina was the first before us.

Davis didn't get any SEC offer outside of Missouri, and now he's practically our starting back (and should be). We gave two guys who no one else wanted a chance and now I don't think any team would turn them down.

If we can recruit players like that as backups, imagine what's going to happen when we have a full roster? McElwain's got this, but obviously we're just going to have to reconstruct the offense (again).
Posted by tjv305
Member since May 2015
12521 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 7:10 pm to
If he is such a great offensive mind Then why does he not take over the play calling . If he took over the play calling and improved the offense then I would agree he should get a chance with a new OC . But he either doesn't care enough to take over the play calling or can't do any better . There was no reason to hire Nuss as the OC unless Mac planned on being more hands on and new he could do it with Nuss . He has had Nuss coach for him before. it's not like he doesn't know anything about Nuss. If we hire a new OC and replace Nord then it better work out or we just went backwards . What if we finish 6-5 or worse and lose a lot of the top prospects in this class ? Should he still return knowing his recruiting class will likely be average again?
This post was edited on 10/18/17 at 7:50 pm
Posted by atlgator
Jacksonville, Atlanta, Gainesville
Member since Aug 2014
5520 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:08 pm to
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If he is such a great offensive mind Then why does he not take over the play calling . If he took over the play calling and improved the offense then I would agree he should get a chance with a new OC . But he either doesn't care enough to take over the play calling or can't do any better .


Come on man, it's silly to suggest he doesn't care. Of course he cares and wants to be successful. I think it's hard to take away playcalling from a guy that is hired to do that job. It could create a rift within the coaching staff and that's the last thing you want going on during the season. Imagine your boss taking over what you do at work but you still being on staff and working, but your main duty is being taken over by the boss. Pride comes into play and you're pissed off. It wouldn't surprise me if Nuss was hired as a head coach by some no name school just to save the look of being fired.

I've also said I'd like to see Mac be more hands on with the play calling and the development of the QB until he gets the program up and running the way he wants it to be, then he can become the CEO type. I think once he gets it rolling he is going to be really good- whether it's here or somewhere else, because he understands the CEO aspect of running a program. I'd like to see him get more hands on though, and I thought we saw more of that last week.

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What if we finish 6-5 or worse and lose a lot of the top prospects in this class ?


You tell Matt Corral the offense is struggling because we don't have HIM. It's pretty easy. And it's the truth. The others stick it Corral sticks. Great players have the mindset that they're what's missing from the offense. Regardless, Mac isn't getting fired this year, and it would be devastating to the program if this class fell apart, so I don't even want to think about what could happen if Corral were to decommit. We'll just say it would be absolutely devastating to the program and set us back a long long time.
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
35919 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:24 pm to
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Come on man, it's silly to suggest he doesn't care.

I’d say he’s arrogant and hard headed.
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:56 pm to
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finchmeister08


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I’d say he’s arrogant and hard headed.


Oh you mean like a lot of posters on this board who are expert coaches? Oh ok.
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
35919 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:37 pm to
These 2 comments are all I need to know to pass judgement onto somebody. If Mac wants to defend Nuss, fine. Let them both burn. Otherwise, Nuss needs to pick his shite, and leave.

LINK

LINK
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:09 pm to
I'm not going to lie, I think the ''arrogant'' thing is kind of overused by people outside looking in.

I voted for President Obama twice -- and watched year in and year out of rednecks saying things like: HE'S SUCH A SMUG ARROGANT MAN, WHAT AN ARROGANT MAN.

And I defended him, always. I didn't think he looked smug or arrogant, not ever.

Then I voted for President Trump. And the hilarious thing is I hear the same rhetoric. Smug, arrogant, etc. etc..

I've heard that about McElwain, too, but he has never really come off as arrogant. That being said:

He may need a new OC. I'm not sold yet, but I'm not going to get rid of him either. If Corral comes in and is absolutely horrible, then I'll just stop watching football for a decade, because it'd just be another bust at QB.
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
35919 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 11:32 pm to
Stubborn may be the more correct term.

“Nuss called the plays.”

“Don’t blame Nuss, blame me.”

He’s full of shite. And it needs to be dealt with one way or another.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 11:37 pm to
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Stubborn


I could actually see that.

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“Nuss called the plays.”

“Don’t blame Nuss, blame me.”


Those are just answers to loaded questions -- you can't win either way you answer them. ''Did you take over playcalling?'', there's no feasible way to answer that question without totally fricking over your staff.

But, I mean...

Eventually, the playcalling has got to fit our recruits, and not our recruits to playcalling. At least until they can get the proper depth and players at key positions.

Driskel, in the capable hands of Meyer/Mullen would probably have won the Heisman because he fit their system and they knew how to run that offense.

He was never meant to be ''under center, drop back, feel the pocket''. And I feel like they're kind of trying to do this with Franks.

''Don't run it first chance you get, try to progress through your reads.''

I'd rather Franks just took off if his first and second read wasn't there than bomb it. Really, if he sees a lane I'd give him the chance.

The only problem is that if he goes down, we're onto Zaire and then we're really, really, fricked. Which is why I'd rather sacrifice Zaire's body this year than Franks' mind.
Posted by Gatorbait2008
Member since Aug 2015
22953 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 12:14 am to
Are these morons calling Mac an offensive genius LOLOLOLOLOLOL.

Jesus. Homers are really, really, really stupid. See rankings for further proof. Without Muschamps defense, we would barely make bowls...see...this year. Defense can't save the worst "offensive" coach in FB. No one does less with more
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 5:51 am to
Jesus the haters are really really really stupid
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