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re: "Never say never" - The Dabo Speaks
Posted on 9/28/17 at 8:36 pm to Othello
Posted on 9/28/17 at 8:36 pm to Othello
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The Bear won 6 national titles at Bama. Saban has won 4 there and played for a fifth last year. Saban has lost more than one regular season game at Bama since 2008, only once. Bama would have been in the playoff every season since 2008, except 2010.
Dabo is only 47 and appears to be on the verge of making the playoffs for the 3rd year in a row. At Clemson.
Bear didn't win a title at Maryland, Kentucky or A&M.
Saban won one title at a Top 10 program in LSU.
They found exponentially more success coaching at Alabama. Given Dabo's recent run I'd say he stands more likely to follow that pattern than fail to meet expectations.
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Dabo would have to win a minimum of 3 national titles and more than likely four or 5 to be considered anywhere near as great as Saban or the Bear.
If he got the job 7 years from now he'd still be younger than Saban was when he took the Alabama job and he probably wouldn't have to resurrect the program from a probation ravaged decade.
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That's a frickton of pressure and expectations
It's not about who has more tradition or prestige, obviously Bama has many more things going on than Clemson. It's about expectations and tradition.
If he maintains his current pace the expectations would be just as high at Clemson.
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At Bama, it's usually SEC championship or bust and you have to play the West every year, at Clemson, he has low expectations and low pressure because he has built the program up himself. He also knows that he has about 9 wins for sure every year there.
See my post above regarding expectations.
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It's not that I wouldn't like him to replace Saban, though he reminds me a lot of Les Miles in his quirkyness. Though a much better coach than Miles. It's just that he has it made where he is and has a lot more to lose at Bama, than he does at Clemson.
His coaching style seems to work just fine. He absolutely obliterated Urban Meyer last year and bitch slapped Bob Stoops in the playoffs two years ago.
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It's just a pragmatic viewpoint, all the things that Bama fans think of as reasons why he'd come here, are actually reasons that would make the pressure and expectations much higher for him at Bama than at Clemson.
Alabama won zero titles for 17 straight years before 2009. I think we could survive playing for one every other year.
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Posted on 9/28/17 at 8:51 pm to TideSaint
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If he maintains his current pace the expectations would be just as high at Clemson.
He created those expectations at Clemson. That's a lot different than following in other's footsteps.
Also you can't compare the recent success at Clemson and it's 2 overall natinal titles to Alabama's 16 natty's and Saban's current unprecedented run.
Otherwise, you're saying the expectations at Clemson are just as high. Which is just plain wrong. It would be closer if Bowden had won 4 natty's and then Dabo came in and did what he's doing.
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His coaching style seems to work just fine. He absolutely obliterated Urban Meyer last year and bitch slapped Bob Stoops in the playoffs two years ago.
I didn't criticize his coaching style at all. He just reminds me of Les because he's goofy as hell. But his players love him, so that's fine.
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Alabama won zero titles for 17 straight years before 2009. I think we could survive playing for one every other year.
You're assuming that he would compete for one often or win one at Bama. We don't know that for sure. If he replaced Saban, it is likely that he'd win, or compete often for them, but we don't know that for certain.
He is worshipped at Clemson for being their best coach ever. He would have to do a lot more than what he's done at Clemson, to get anywhere near the respect at Bama that he has there.
I remember when Bear retired. Nobody wanted that job and Bear was losing 3 games a year at the end and still no one wanted to step into that.
Then Ray Perkins stepped in and immediately got shite on.
And everyone loved Shula at first, till he started losing games. Obviously, Dabo is an infinitely better coach than Shula, and Shula had to deal with no spring practice and probation. But Bama fans turn quickly on people when they aren't winning the vast majority of their games.
How's Jimbo doing at FSU? He's feeling the heat. And he's a damn good coach. Obviously, losing his QB fricked his whole season up but the natives are getting restless and Bowden wasn't competing for titles in his last several years. Jimbo's job isn't in jeopardy, but he's feeling the pressure of a pissed-off fan base.
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 9:04 pm
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