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re: Corso's saying UT and Oklahoma leaving Big 12 in next 5 years most likely 4 SEC

Posted on 4/4/17 at 10:27 pm to
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 4/4/17 at 10:27 pm to
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Yet, somehow, Texas got blamed.


I don't put all the blame on Texas, but they do share a part of it.

I do blame Texas for leaving the SIAA and taking TAMU. If the SWC never forms the old Big 8 is probably stronger and Arkansas + Missouri have a real base history from the beginning. Texas Tech muddles along in the old Border Conference and is probably a G5 school today, which probably fits where they could really compete. All the smaller private Texas schools either would be in the Big 8 or in a G5 carving out their niche.

I understand why they did it, just not sure it was the right strategy.

As for Arkansas, did you ever think about how it felt to be the only non Texas school in the conference? I remember it was an issue with Frank, Lou, and Eddie back in the 1970's!
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 4/4/17 at 10:31 pm to
So Arkansas joining the Southwest Conference in 1915 was Texas' fault, at least partially? My God, man.

I want to post this for emphasis. This occurred in Aug. 1993. Aggy was planning to blow up the Southwest Conference (Arkansas announced its leaving in 1990 but the conference remained intact, nonetheless).

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At trial, the appellant abandoned his argument that he was conducting state business by attending the ceremony as an official invitee of L.S.U. He instead claimed that he went to conduct official state business by meeting with Dr. Davis to discuss the possibility of Texas A & M's leaving the Southwest Conference (S.W.C.) and joining the Southeastern Conference (S.E.C.), and the financial status of the S.E.C. The appellant testified that he had six telephone conversations with Dr. Davis about these matters after he was invited to the ceremony and before he arrived.

Dr. Davis, however, recalled none of these conversations. The appellant argued that his discussion with Dr. Davis was of the utmost importance to the state, and his witnesses attested to the importance of the issues surrounding the breakup of the S.W.C. and to the need for discretion about Texas A & M's possible move from the S.W.C. to the S.E.C. None of these witnesses, however, testified that the appellant needed to fly with his wife to have a face-to-face meeting with Dr. Davis about the subject, or that they thought that the appellant had flown with the intent to conduct state business rather than to see his son graduate. The State argued to the jury that the appellant did not go to L.S.U. to have these discussions but went to watch his son graduate.

Under this theory, the discussions with Dr. Davis were merely afterthoughts to the trip's actual purpose or were a pretext meant to disguise his true intent. To support its theory, the State showed that in his explanatory memo to Dr. Mobley, the appellant claimed that he had met with Dr. Davis in his office for an hour and a half.

Dr. Davis testified that they did meet and informally discussed these matters, but the meeting was only for thirty to forty-five minutes, although they did have lunch afterward.

Dr. Davis said that he had not scheduled an appointment to meet with the appellant, and that he did not and could not have had official discussions with the appellant, for doing so would have breached protocol.

He stated that he wanted to take advantage of the appellant's trip to see his son graduate to have a friendly, informal conversation with him about the level of interest from Texas A & M in joining the S.E.C., and that the meeting would not have taken place had the appellant's son not been graduating that day.

The jury could have found that this informal conversation was not the motivating reason for the appellant's trip. In addition to the discrepancies surrounding the circumstances of the meeting, the jury heard evidence that the appellant exaggerated the importance of its substance.

The State showed that the invitation to join the S.E.C. had been formally extended to Texas A & M a few years before the appellant's trip.

And the State showed that the appellant was not the person at Texas A & M who would have negotiated the conference alignment; ?it would have been the job of the school president and the athletic director.

The appellant did not seek out any other face-to-face meetings with any presidents of the other schools that made up the S.E.C. When the S.W.C. did break up, and Texas A & M joined the Big Eight Conference rather than the S.E.C., the appellant did not meet with any president or chancellor of any of the Big Eight's schools.

The State contended that the highly unusual nature of the appellant's discussion with Dr. Davis showed that he was not conducting official state business during the meeting. There was also evidence that the appellant's claim that he needed to get financial information about the S.E.C. was exaggerated to excuse his personal trip.

The State showed that the Texas A & M Athletic Director already had this information and could have updated it anytime, if needed, with a phone call. The appellant showed that, as Chairman of the Board's Athletic Committee and “point-man” on the S.W.C. breakup, he was vested with special oversight of the Texas A & M Athletic Department, and that he discussed the S.W.C. breakup with Dr. Mobley after he returned.

Surprise, surprise: Aggy lied and got caught
This post was edited on 4/4/17 at 10:34 pm
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11470 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 10:59 pm to
Texas has painted themselves into a corner and are trying desperately to figure a way out. The Longhorn Network was supposed to be their ticket out of the Big XII to the freedom of independent status but alas, the LHN has been a disaster of Titanic proportions and ESPN wants to pull the plug. No conference is going to extend them an invite without the stipulation that the LHN goes away. Texas isn't ready to give it up yet. But Texas needs to look at Notre Dame and learn a lesson: you are just a couple of more mediocre seasons from being as irrelevant to college football as the Irish have become. The once mightiest program in the NCAA, that negotiated their own network deal, is just a relic of former glory in days gone by.

The Big XII is fading fast. Texas and Oklahoma are the only brands in the conference worth having. But Texas is a no-go for the previously mentioned reasons. Oklahoma wants and needs to come to the SEC. The only thing stopping them is their idiot president Boren who somehow thinks OU is a midwestern Harvard. If and when OU dumps Boren for a realist, the negotiations will begin.

I can see OU coming into the SEC and maybe West Virginia as the partner. Yes, the SEC covets the Carolina/Virginia area with their juicy markets, but the ACC wisely chained their conference members to the league with their grant of media rights. They can't leave. West Virginia isn't ideal but they are the biggest available option out there. Your alternative is Okie Lite who brings nothing OU doesn't bring or Kansas who isn't exactly SEC material outside of their tempting basketball program. OU comes into the west and West Virginia into the east and Missouri is moved to the west where they belong and Auburn is moved to the east to balance the league.
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