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re: Obama's Farewell Address and what you will remember him for.

Posted on 1/12/17 at 5:50 pm to
Posted by Papplesbeast
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Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 1/12/17 at 5:50 pm to
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Wind and solar is whack in a lot of ways. The way we currently use it probably is far from the best way, but there's certainly ways it can be used.

Please expound. I'm an engineer who works in the power industry. I'd love to hear your plan.

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Alcohol and hemp would be great energy sources. Electricity too. Farmers used to have their own oil field essentially by making their own alcohol fuel, and big cities were using electric taxi's in the 1800s. Ford's first Model-T was built to run on hemp oil, and parts of the vehicle were made from hemp as well.

There's been a deliberate effort to hide this history from us. The oil cartels ripped up existing infrastructure that would've made it easier for people to forego buying their own vehicle and they continue to lobby against such things. They deliberately destroyed the alcohol alternative and continue to make that a poor alternative to oil. They of course played a HUGE role in making hemp, a non-intoxicating plant, illegal alongside cannabis.

Want to know why gasoline defeated alcohol?
Energy density:
Gasoline 32-34.2
Ethanol 18.4-21.2

In other words, physics.

As for cannabis, I think it's BS that's it's illegal and maybe hemp oil would make a great bio fuel. However, to fully replace gasoline, we would have to convert a massive amount of farmland to bio fuel production. The energy per acre (energy density) is too low. Algae is really the only source of bio fuel that has an energy density high enough to be viable on a massive scale.
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 1/12/17 at 6:33 pm to
Gasoline needed a lot more than physics to defeat alcohol, if it was simply a physics thing it wouldn't have needed to do what it did to wipe out alternatives. And as it was explained to me, our current set-up with ethanol is different than what alcohol fuel used to be. A farmer being able to produce his own fuel on-site vs what we go through to get oil..

This is the best, most informative, non-political or agenda based documentary I've seen. You probably won't watch it, but sharing anyway.

How big oil conquered the world

Obviously alcohol fuel isn't 'the one big answer', but its previous usage and its ability to be localized is noteworthy.

Most people don't understand how it, as well as electricity and hemp were a part of the energy landscape 100+ years ago. Understanding that, and understanding why it was wiped out is hugely important to finding the answers moving forward.

The farmland argument against hemp is proven to be completely bogus and an indication of not being up-to-speed on the issue.

We currently grow way too much corn and soy, much of which ends up in the middle aisle of grocery stores in the form of fake food -- and anyway, that's mostly irrelevant. There's enough land. Plus innovation in alternative growing methods.

Hemp enriches farmland, making it a smart thing for famers to rotate through their fields. The Dakota's and Canadian prairies.. huge. It grows in harsh climates on both ends of the spectrum with relative ease.

Right now hemp producers get more from food markets. The food market is all whacked out with pricing for various reasons, and hemp costs more than it should because of the limited legal growing areas and 'health food' tag.

Overall we've been tricked into an energy model that has oil at the top of the pyramid. The energy solution isn't one thing, it's a combination of many things. Our major dependence on oil is 100% thanks to the manipulations from those who'd benefit from such a paradigm.


This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 6:34 pm
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