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re: Obama's Farewell Address and what you will remember him for.

Posted on 1/11/17 at 12:47 pm to
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 1/11/17 at 12:47 pm to
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Playing devil's advocate because I never voted for the guy either. It would probably be something along the lines of pushing the healthcare debate. I think everyone can agree that Obamacare was overall very poorly done but there are some positives things that can be used from it. Pre-existing conditions and the age that dependents can stay on a plan. Trump brought those up in his 60 minute interview as well.

There are many but my biggest complaint about the Obamacare thing is how it was rushed. Obama knew he was going to lose the Congress and pushed/rushed it.


I can agree with this. I think the biggest issue was Obama and the Dems let their special interests design the majority of it, and in the process it did nothing to address cost. It addressed access, and was supposedly "budget neutral", but nothing in the bill was designed to bring down costs. Nothing. And I think if the Democrats had been honest about Obamacare and it's failures they wouldn't have lost the Rust Belt to Trump. It's amazing that they haven't offered up any solutions to their mess in the past 6 years.
Posted by stomp
Bama
Member since Nov 2014
3705 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 7:33 pm to
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I can agree with this. I think the biggest issue was Obama and the Dems let their special interests design the majority of it, and in the process it did nothing to address cost. It addressed access, and was supposedly "budget neutral", but nothing in the bill was designed to bring down costs. Nothing. And I think if the Democrats had been honest about Obamacare and it's failures they wouldn't have lost the Rust Belt to Trump. It's amazing that they haven't offered up any solutions to their mess in the past 6 years.


Upvote.

Im a moderate, swing voting Dem and I hated the special interest bastards getting their hands all over the bill. Pelosi and Daschle ruined what could have been a much better all around bill.

It did provide access, so that counts for something. I will never completely shite on anything that is meant to help Americans, whether its war to protect us or health care. It does have flaws and needs improvement, so I look forward to seeing how this administration and the House performs on that.

I also give him credit for keeping the economy from collapsing. The stock market was in the shitter in 2008 and jobs were disappearing by the day. That counts in my book as well.

No POTUS will have a perfect tenure, and they all do the best they can. Thats why Im not too down on Trump as a Dem.

Overall, I give Obama a B-
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