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re: OT - I hope y'all are ready for President Clinton *gag*

Posted on 10/22/16 at 9:51 am to
Posted by Cobb Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 10/22/16 at 9:51 am to
It amuses me in reading this string as well as other media, that people argue one side and you could just plug the other side and the same "facts" would be true. Both sides think they're right without have any knowledge at all of the actual facts. But here's what I know to be true. GWB started the second Gulf War under the pretense that they had WMDs. His own intelligence said in the media that there were no WMDs, but he invaded anyway. Then he occupied then he pulled out. 9/11 happened on his watch, and the Middle East is a cluster because of him and his failed policies. I loved Reagan and George, Senior, but this clown Trump has absolutely no business as the Republican nominee, and he'll lose in a landslide.

No matter who gets elected, things won't change much, and that's not a bad thing. The less government can get done in peacetime, usually the better for US citizens. Our government is usually worse for us when they are getting things some and screwing with our lives.

All of this piss and vinegar over this election makes me laugh. "Our candidate will save the U.S.!"............give me a break!
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58925 posts
Posted on 10/22/16 at 10:47 am to
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GWB started the second Gulf War under the pretense that they had WMDs. His own intelligence said in the media that there were no WMDs, but he invaded anyway.


Somebody in his intelligence may have....afterward. but it was widely reported in a media that hated him that his intelligence, the Israeli intelligence, British intelligence and even the Russian intelligence told us they had WMD. And, they found yellow cake which is used to make WMD.

In the introduction to this dossier (known to some as the “dodgy” dossier) Tony Blair confidently declared, ‘the assessed intelligence has established beyond doubt that Saddam has continued to produce chemical and biological weapons [and] that he continues in his efforts to develop nuclear weapons.’
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In fact, however, George Tenet, George W. Bush's CIA director, assured the President that the case for Saddam possessing WMD was “a slam dunk.” In this assessment, Tenet had the backing of all fifteen agencies involved in gathering intelligence for the United States. The National Intelligence Estimate of 2002, where their collective views were summarized, asserted with “high confidence” that "Iraq is continuing, and in some areas expanding its chemical, biological, nuclear, and missile programs contrary to UN resolutions.

The intelligence agencies of Britain, Germany, Russia, China, Israel, and France all agreed with this judgment. Even Hans Blix—who headed the UN team of inspectors trying to determine whether Saddam had complied with the demands of the Security Council that he dispose of the WMD he was known to have had in the past—lent further credibility to the case in a report he issued only a few months before the invasion:

"The discovery of a number of ... chemical rocket warheads in a bunker at a storage depot 170 km southwest of Baghdad was much publicized. This was a relatively new bunker, and therefore the rockets must have been moved there in the past few years, at a time when Iraq should not have had such munitions.... They could also be the tip of a submerged iceberg. The discovery … points to the issue of several thousands of chemical rockets that are unaccounted for."

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Now, whether the intelligence was correct, or not, can be debated, but it is clear that the intelligence gathered from multiple sources point to WMD's, being in Iraq.

Also, after his capture, Hussein himself, in an interview, admitted to making moves and statements with the intention of giving the intelligence community the impression that they had WMD's in an effort to stall off an invasion.
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This post was edited on 10/22/16 at 10:48 am
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58925 posts
Posted on 10/22/16 at 10:51 am to
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No matter who gets elected, things won't change much, and that's not a bad thing. The less government can get done in peacetime, usually the better for US citizens. Our government is usually worse for us when they are getting things some and screwing with our lives.



Wow. Again we agree. I think maybe we should both be nervous!
Posted by BeefDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
4747 posts
Posted on 10/22/16 at 11:06 am to
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But here's what I know to be true. GWB started the second Gulf War under the pretense that they had WMDs. His own intelligence said in the media that there were no WMDs, but he invaded anyway.

You are such a cliche. You are the sheeple lemming that is the problem with this country. If something is said by the media enough, you believe it.

Saddam killed tens of thousands of his own people with chemical weapons. This is irrefutable. Maybe he used them all up? Maybe he hid them? Or maybe he shipped them to Syria when we announced weeks in advance that we were coming there (like idiots).

Point is, why does it matter that we didn't find any after the fact? We know he used them. Multiple times. There is irrefutable proof of this.

The only people harping on the Bush lies about WMD's bullshite is the Liberal MSM and the anti-Republican Establishment trying to push a propaganda agenda to sway voters.

And you're just drinking the koolaid up like a good little non-critical illogical non-deductive reasoning sheep.

We never should have gone into Iraq (or Libya, Afghanistan, or Syria... etc.), to begin with. But we did because the Military Industrial Complex and the corrupt Establishment on both sides that LOVES to give our tax dollars to their corporate donors waged a pro-war propaganda agenda and bamboozled everyone into believing it was necessary and good.

And when it was over and the trillions were spent, they flipped the narrative to the blame-game for their next agenda... to get their next puppet administration installed.

And that's exactly what they're trying to do now with Hillary. Get the most corrupt person possible in there who has no problem spending our tax dollars on all her donor's wants and desires.
Posted by RocketDawg
Western Carolina
Member since Sep 2009
665 posts
Posted on 10/22/16 at 5:29 pm to
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Then he occupied then he pulled out. 9/11 happened on his watch, and the Middle East is a cluster because of him and his failed policies.
Last time I checked it was the current administration that pulled out and left a void. Please show me some proof that he pulled out. If you're are talking about downsizing the number of troops in country then that is not pulling out. No military wins a war then remains in full force.

As far as 911 happening during Bush's Administration...yes it did but if you read up on it you will see the damage was done under Clinton as it was all prepped, planned and set in motion while he was the President. By the time Bush took office the primary actors were already in country. Also the military had Bin-Laden and wanted him dead during Clinton's second term and he refused to give the order.

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All of this piss and vinegar over this election makes me laugh. "Our candidate will save the U.S.!"............give me a break!
The mere fact that there are people like you out there that believe this way is what concerns me.

You will see no posts from me saying Trump will safe anything and in fact I agree neither will get a lot of anything done but HRC has continued to move left and there is no end in sight to it.
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