re: Nick Saban is not special

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Nick Saban is an above average coach, at best, who has learned how to surround himself with the best recruiters money can buy. Trade any coach in the SEC for the past 10 years at Bama and they would have a similar record.
You're wasting your breath. Bama fans don't count Saban's record pre-bama (except for the LSU NC) or his first year at Bama against Saban's ability to coach. Tubberville would have a field day with the players on Bama's pay roll.

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no one counts a coach's first year ... 2nd year? ... tubbs went 9-3 in the regular season, but maybe he didn't have the recruits ... not bad ... 1st year he did get shut out by ut, 24-0, and lost to arky 24-10 ...lost by 21 and 31 to uf his 2nd year and avg 5 losses a year for the next 4 ...

saban went 12-0 in the regular season his 2nd year .. with shula's recruits ... biggest loss his 1st year was by 7 ... lost to uf by 11 and utah by 14 his last two games in the 2nd year ...

but yeah, tubbs was a better coach ...