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re: Judge rules against opponents of removing Confederate memorials ...

Posted on 2/5/16 at 8:41 pm to
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 2/5/16 at 8:41 pm to
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Kentucky allowed the removal of the Jefferson Davis statue correct?


Not yet but the process is under way. Plans are to move the statue to a museum about Kentucky's participation in the war. It certainly doesn't belong in the Capital Rotunda in Frankfort.

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And all Confederate memorials are under attack, all across the South.


They have their place in museums but not in public places. The sentiments of these memorials to a traitorous rebellion are anti-American.

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I mean it's not like all the Muslim statues going up, silently across the country ... it's not like this is anything comparable to what ISIS is doing to the history of Syria right now, is it? Tearing down old Christian monuments because, well, they don't like them ... they find them offensive to Allah and all.


I don't know anyone who objects to Christian, or Muslim for that matter, monuments on private property. It's the intrusion of religion, any religion, into government that is illegal and to be resisted with all vigor.

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You cannot white wash a history of a region, or a country, just because you find certain past aspects of it offensive.


Putting the Confederacy's history into museums is not eliminating it, nor rewriting it. That's the proper place for it. In public places, however, a message exists of support for the ideas of the losing side, who were anti-American.

Confederate cemeteries are, for the most part, on private land beyond the legal reach of anyone who might have objections to them, which would be silly IMO.

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But people in this region should still be allowed to retain some semblance of their culture and tradition, retain their honor.


They certainly can with appropriate venues. Public places are not appropriate.

Lexington is planning to move all of our Confederate monuments to a museum. They'll make an interesting field trip for kids studying Kentucky and American history.
This post was edited on 2/5/16 at 8:46 pm
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 2/5/16 at 8:56 pm to
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They certainly can with appropriate venues. Public places are not appropriate.

Lexington is planning to move all of our Confederate monuments to a museum. They'll make an interesting field trip for kids studying Kentucky and American history.


I don't necessarily disagree with this.

I think I was fairly clear ... the problem I have is with it being removed and melted down for scrap. The problem I have is with the double-standard, the hypocrisy.

If we're talking strictly about winners and losers here then that's never really been the American way ... at least not in wars fought in other countries.

We allowed the Japanese to keep their emperor after WWII, did we not?

At the same time, I'll ask this question again ... name the only time in American history where we allowed a general to rape, pillage and burn during a campaign ... and then honored him for it.

Or would you prefer I name the times Americans have been court marshaled for doing anything even remotely similar in an effort to prove my point about the hypocrisy and the double standard.

Thus my other contention in this thread ... fine, remove the Confederate memorials if you must, but do not vandalize them in the process and do not disrespect them.

And remove the Union memorials ... remove the statue of Sherman in Central Park ... or either move Wall Street and our major Federally funded banks outta NYC.

Posted by sms151t
Polos, Porsches, Ponies..PROBATION
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 2/5/16 at 8:58 pm to
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It's the intrusion of religion, any religion, into government that is illegal


But that is not how the law is written. It has been misinterpreted that way much like everyone believes you have freedom of speech.

Now you can argue that deprecation of Church and State yet the Founfing Fathers again are referring to the Church of England as their guide.
This post was edited on 2/5/16 at 9:05 pm
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