re: 2017 Football Recruiting Thread ["N$D Bryant" Edition]

I may be mistaken, but didn't the Chizik-version of Grimes leave the J.B. version with a shite-ton of OL talent?

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lol you keep defending the guy who never landed a true left tackle in three years and i'll keep chuckling at the amount of effort you put in to spin it as it not being his fault the OL is a mess this year

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Are you actually trying to say Grimes was a mediocre recruiter/bad OT recruiter? No one argues with that.

You instead though were calling out Grimes for OT numbers mismanagement. Not sure how you are trying to spin that one baw

-Grimes doesn't control our 2 starting OT declaring early
-Grimes actually tried fixing the problem by recruiting JUCO OTs which Hand/Malzahn dropped
-HC/Recruiting coordinators control taking backup plans such as 3* OT not Grimes

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You instead though were calling out Grimes for OT numbers mismanagement. Not sure how you are trying to spin that one baw

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not recruiting a left tackle for three years is horrible OT mismanagement. a true left tackle would put golson at RT, leff on the bench and would easily make our ol 10x's better.

players leave early all the time. not recruiting a left tackle for three years is absurd.

now keep on spinning, chin. it's what you do best.

ps garrett boles committed to Utah before hand was hired. demetri moore was enrolled at VT four days after hand was hired. name all these great Juco tackles out there that we had a shot to land after January 11th.

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not recruiting a left tackle for three years is horrible OT mismanagement.

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We recruited a frick ton of LT, we just lost on them and didn't sign backups. You are talking about roster management though not recruiting ability

There was hope that Golson (top 100 HS OT), Braden Smith (tried at OT) and Darius James (backup LT) would all work at OT


The decision not to sign backups in case our plans fail sure as frick isn't on the OL coach though but the HC/Recruiting coordinators

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Joey if you argued that JB's inability to bring in top flight for OT caused these issues fair enough

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We have 6 guys on the roster who were 4*+ who started their AU careers at OT. That is more than Grimes inherited

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orly?

GRob
Diamond
Callahan
Young
Miller
Coleman

I count 6 there... all listed as OTs on 247. All played OT at some point in their football careers.

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Sorry that I can't get on board with having 6 4*+ players who started their careers at OT somehow being Grimes leaving the cupboard bare

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lol point out which one can play left tackle, the second (arguable the first) most important position on offense and not get worked over by the DEs in this league. moreover, "starting" at tackle and being moved to guard means you aren't a good tackle. the fact you had to include that caveat proves how desperate your point is. the fact that Tegan was moved to ol this fall should tell you even more about that.

oh, and a three star is starting at RT. so tell me again how great those 4*s, i played tackle once upon a time, we have on roster are working out, as a converted DE with four years total experience is second stringame.

This is so funny coming from. One of the most vocal about how shitty leff is and now you claim the cupboard isn't bare.

Do you make yourself dizzy spinning these separate tales?

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When it comes to development the origin of this argument, JB can point to some great examples and I don't see Hand being able to keep up

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yeah, too bad jb would have looked just as bad this year as he doesn't know what it means to land a left tackle capable of playing in the sec.

good thing jeff left him with a boat load of talent to work with, unlike what herb hand currently has.

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too bad jb would have looked just as bad this year as he doesn't know what it means to land a left tackle capable of playing in the sec.

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Now I see what you really are trying to argue. You want to champion Herb Hand is the greatest better than JB

Let's put this into perspective, Auburn is on pace to give up more sacks and more TFL than the 2011 team
The team that was coached by avg OL coacj Jeff Grimes, had Chad Slade at OT and true freshman playing games on the interior

Putting out a worse OL than the 2011/2012 shitfest OLs is a complete joke and on Herb Hand. If you think otherwise you are a joke


No one expected some dominant 2013 OL, at least I didn't. I sure as frick didn't expect arguably the worse OL in Auburn history through 4 games. JB wouldn't have been this bad

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Now I see what you really are trying to argue. You want to champion Herb Hand is the greatest better than JB

Let's put this into perspective, Auburn is on pace to give up more sacks and more TFL than the 2011 team
The team that was coached by avg OL coacj Jeff Grimes, had Chad Slade at OT and true freshman playing games on the interior

Putting out a worse OL than the 2011/2012 shitfest OLs is a complete joke and on Herb Hand. If you think otherwise you are a joke


No one expected some dominant 2013 OL, at least I didn't. I sure as frick didn't expect arguably the worse OL in Auburn history through 4 games. JB wouldn't have been this bad

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I don't wanna get caught in this shitstorm but a lot of our TFL issues have come from poor scheming against elite DEs. Running bubble screens that safeties come flying down on to tackle before even have a chance to make move, using the single wing with a FB, pulling guards to block Myles freaking Garrett or asking our FB to block one on one against Christian Wilkins & Arden Key. Not saying I have been impressed with Hand but I don't think those numbers give a full picture of this OL. But if this pace does continue then it would be hard to argue that scheme or no scheme

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You want to champion Herb Hand is the greatest better than JB

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nice straw man. that's clearly what i said.

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Sorry, you are right that they had the same amount of talent on paper at OT walking in to Auburn Thanks for agreeing with my overall point that we have tried bringing in OTs

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yeah, which 4* OT that grimes recruited can play LT in the SEC? which one has the ability/potential to be drafted in the first three rounds of the draft?

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poor scheming against elite DEs

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So Herb Hand's failure?

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lol yes, he's the one who calls the play that requires the guard to pull and block the de. he's the one who asked cox & johnson to block key.

nice call chin. your knowledge knows no bounds.

personally, I think our horribly predictable playcalling, mixed with mediocre overall OL talent and insanely good defensive competition the first 4 weeks, should all be accounted for in the OL play.

We've had some dumb schemes that have yielded poor results as well. I just NEVER agree with having the other teams' best DE either unblocked, or being blocked by an HB/TE/RB.

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Auburn is on pace to give up more sacks and more TFL than the 2011 team
The team that was coached by avg OL coacj Jeff Grimes, had Chad Slade at OT and true freshman playing games on the interior

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Slade did not play OT in 2011. That was The Matador AJ Greene and Brandon Mosley. Moseley started the year at LT, but switched back to RT after game 1. Then the Matador preceded to David Carr effect Trotter by game 6.

The interior was gay blade Jon Sullen at LG. Who is honestly the worst OL I've every seen at auburn. Dismukes at center. Slade at RG.