They were specifically interjecting race into a statement that simply referenced that people felt safer in a certain time. I'm sure both blacks and whites felt safer, than they do in current times in neighborhoods across America. It was less populated and more rural. At no other point in the thread, was race or racial discussions being had.

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Yes, and I'll say that that goes both ways, given the incidence of harsher penalties for black people when charged with the same crime as a white counterpart

So... things are better today, except they aren't?

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However, none of the above is as pervasive as "separate but equal" (and let's be clear that the supposed "equal" was far from it in reality) being the law of the land, no matter how you try to spin it.

Separate but equal, again.. was not a prevailing thing in the 80's. However.. let's go down this road.. are State University's not representative to a degree of what the State sanctions. Now that many University's are falling to demands of forced segregation by black students.. how is this not to a degree State backed segregation?

I understand, and am not blind to the policies of the past and the prejudices by any means. I've lived closer to it than you. But to deny that there isn't just as much if not more today, is simply trying to bury your head in the sand. I would go so far as stating that this country has as bad of race relations as I've ever seen in my adult life. I would also say it's as good as its been too.

It's easy to demonize the past and look upon it as the worst of times, but people are still the same today, whether you'd like to acknowledge it or not. And there are the same prejudices. And some of it is in the black community now, which is larger, more galvanized and better equipped to force issues than it once was. This isn't to say that all blacks are racist and prejudiced or segregationist.. but there is a very large portion that is. Just as there are whites.

As I said earlier.. it's what it is.. no matter which side of the coin you flip.

And the 80's was still better than today.

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Posted by TbirdSpur2010

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Posted on 2/3/16 at 12:05 am to Alahunter

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They were specifically interjecting race into a statement that simply referenced that people felt safer in a certain time.

Not just safer. Also more trusting. Reread my quote.

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I'm sure both blacks and whites felt safer, than they do in current times in neighborhoods across America.

You'd be horribly mistaken on the first count.

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At no other point in the thread, was race or racial discussions being had.

Irrelevant. As I've shown, I brought it up as a germane rebuttal to an erroneous assertion.

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So... things are better today, except they aren't?

On that front? Things are far better, but they're far from perfect. Never intimated otherwise, tbh.

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Separate but equal, again.. was not a prevailing thing in the 80's.

It's like you're incapable of understanding context in a conversation tonight. I brought up Plessy v. Ferguson as a rebuttal to the "safer/more trusting in the 60s" comment. You know this, and are being obtuse

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are State University's not representative to a degree of what the State sanctions. Now that many University's are falling to demands of forced segregation by black students.. how is this not to a degree State backed segregation?

Excellent point. As you know, I'm not a proponent of affirmative action.

However, I defy you to insinuate that AA is tantamount to "separate but equal," especially considering major state universities are majority white. Is it an outdated practice? Sure, I'll readily cede that. It had its purpose, but that time has passed. However, it's nowhere near analogous to what Brown v. Board of Education overturned. To suggest otherwise shows a lack of comprehension of the legal precedent.

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I understand, and am not blind to the policies of the past and the prejudices by any means. I've lived closer to it than you. But to deny that there isn't just as much if not more today, is simply trying to bury your head in the sand.

There is nothing today on the sheer scale of the segregation era. To assert that there is is engaging in hyperbole for arguments' sake.

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I would go so far as stating that this country has as bad of race relations as I've ever seen in my adult life. I would also say it's as good as its been too.

These statements are cannot be reconciled.

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It's easy to demonize the past and look upon it as the worst of times, but people are still the same today, whether you'd like to acknowledge it or not.

I've already said as much itt.

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And some of it is in the black community now, which is larger, more galvanized and better equipped to force issues than it once was.

There is no black community. Certainly not galvanized. The more time passes, the more eclectic the backgrounds of black people become. Yes, there are those who're more able to assume the bully pulpit of social media to advance a cause, but that's hardly exclusive to those with a high melanin count. And you'll find that plenty of black people are diametrically opposed to what groups like BLM and individuals like Jesse Jackson spew. Now, more than ever, there is not a single voice for black people--homogeneity will only hasten in the coming years. And that's a massive positive.

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This isn't to say that all blacks are racist and prejudiced or segregationist.. but there is a very large portion that is. Just as there are whites.

Granted. I'm of the firm belief that those numbers will continue to dwindle, just as they have since your halcyon 80s.

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As I said earlier.. it's what it is.. no matter which side of the coin you flip.

It is always what it is, of course

Gotta be mindful to use an analogous coin, though, or your perspective will be skewed, whether you lived closer to the times in question or not. Garbage in, garbage out, as it were.