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re: What prevents Vanderbilt from competing in Football using Stanford's model?
Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:00 pm to Forkbeard3777
Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:00 pm to Forkbeard3777
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I'll stick to my theory...
Which is wrong
They played Tulane 8 f*ucking times from the 1960's forward but could not do 1 home and home with Vanderbilt? If your theory was correct they would have started playing Vanderbilt from like 1900 on or at least the 1920's on.
In 100 f*cking years you can play 50 erudite schools and Vanderbilt would have been on this list before many currently in the AAU. Vanderbilt was admitted to the AAU in 1950 when it had only about 30 members. Tulane was admitted in 1958 and Stanford started playing them in the 1960's.
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West Point not AAU, but service academy
Naval Academy not AAU, but service academy
Duke AAU in 1938
Northwestern AAU in 1917
Texas AAU in 1929
Boston College NOT AAU
North Carolina AAU in 1922
Rice AAU in 1985
Wake Forest NOT AAU
Tulane AAU in 1958
TCU NOT AAU
Updated with AAU admission dates and membership
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:00 pm to GregAl
Year in year out, Stanford plays a harder schedule than Vanderbilt. They play 9 conference games plus Notre Dame every year... and they rarely if never play FCS teams.
Vandy, otoh, plays four cream puffs a year OOC... they current OOC scheduling under Franklin and now Mason is beyond pitiful.
The whole schedule argument doesn't hold water
Vandy, otoh, plays four cream puffs a year OOC... they current OOC scheduling under Franklin and now Mason is beyond pitiful.
The whole schedule argument doesn't hold water
Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:07 pm to Cheese Grits
They still haven't played Virginia, Georgia Tech, Indiana, Rutgers, and Maryland. It's a big list.
They've got games slated with Vanderbilt in 2021, 2024, 2025, 2027.
They've got games slated with Vanderbilt in 2021, 2024, 2025, 2027.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:12 pm to lowspark12
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and now Mason is beyond pitiful.
This year Vandy played the toughest OOC schedule in the SEC, 2 conference champions and another bowl team.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:19 pm to Vandyrone
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Vanderbilt has minimal experience against Pac-12 opponents and teams from California. Vanderbilt's only previous game against a Pac-12 team came on Oct. 14, 1961 when the Commodores lost 28-21 to nationally ranked UCLA in the Los Angeles Coliseum.
Maybe it's a Vanderbilt thing…?
Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:19 pm to lowspark12
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Year in year out, Stanford plays a harder schedule than Vanderbilt.
The bottom of the PAC has been historically worse than the bottom of the SEC and the top of the SEC has been harder than the top of the PAC.
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Vandy, otoh, plays four cream puffs a year OOC
2014 Temple and Umass
2013 Wake and Umass
2012 Wake, Northwestern, and Umass
2011 Wake, Uconn, and Army
2010 Wake, Uconn, and Northwestern
2009 G Tech, Army, and Rice
2008 Wake, Duke, and Rice
2007 Wake
2006 Michigan (AA), Temple, and Duke
2005 Wake
2004 Navy and Rutgers
2003 TCU, G Tech, and Navy
2002 G Tech and Uconn
2001 Duke (Woody's last year)
While I will concede Vanderbilt plays better academic schools in the OOC I would not say they reach the cream puff level of say Baylor. Michigan will schedule Vanderbilt in Ann Arbor but will not return the trip to Nashville. In the 11 ages between them, 8 have been played in Ann Arbor and only 3 have been played in Nashville (1907, 1913, and 1922).
Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:24 pm to Cheese Grits
I'm sure your convincing someone of something cheese, but it may just be you.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:27 pm to Cheese Grits
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Michigan will schedule Vanderbilt in Ann Arbor but will not return the trip to Nashville. In the 11 ages between them, 8 have been played in Ann Arbor and only 3 have been played in Nashville (1907, 1913, and 1922).
Yeah, well, that's just the way it goes sometimes...
All-time winningest program and biggest stadium in the country vs. sub .500 winning % with a capacity of 38,000 that no one shows up to.
I feel as if we're doing Vanderbilt a favor by playing them in The Big House.
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:27 pm to Grovewater
Academically you can compare the two schools... with obvious edge to Stanford in name recognition but overall both schools have very high academic standards.
Comparing Stanford and Vanderbilt in Athletics is hard to do.. First off, Vanderbilt doesn't have the national name recognition as Stanford. Vanderbilt also has to recruit against all SEC/ACC/Big 10 schools for there athletes. Second, playing FB in the SEC isn't easy no matter who you play. Quality players get drafted every year to the NFL. Third, Vanderbilt does succeed in other sports like Basketball and Baseball. Football in the SEC is brutal every year.
Comparing Stanford and Vanderbilt in Athletics is hard to do.. First off, Vanderbilt doesn't have the national name recognition as Stanford. Vanderbilt also has to recruit against all SEC/ACC/Big 10 schools for there athletes. Second, playing FB in the SEC isn't easy no matter who you play. Quality players get drafted every year to the NFL. Third, Vanderbilt does succeed in other sports like Basketball and Baseball. Football in the SEC is brutal every year.
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:30 pm to Forkbeard3777
Vanderbilt Athletics Director David Williams II said playing schools like Stanford makes sense for the Commodores.
"We have been working to put this series together for quite some time," Williams said. "This game is a natural because Stanford is also an academic institution playing football in a strong conference.
UCLA never gave Vanderbilt the return trip to Nashville and only Stanford in the PAC was a private with concentration on academics. Southern California is private but football has always been a big deal to the Trojans.
"We have been working to put this series together for quite some time," Williams said. "This game is a natural because Stanford is also an academic institution playing football in a strong conference.
UCLA never gave Vanderbilt the return trip to Nashville and only Stanford in the PAC was a private with concentration on academics. Southern California is private but football has always been a big deal to the Trojans.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:38 pm to Forkbeard3777
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I feel as if we're doing Vanderbilt a favor by playing them in The Big House.
How gracious, too bad you would not do the return trips back when Vanderbilt had the good football teams and similar football following. The 1922 game in Nashville was a 0-0 tie and the game in Nashville in 1907 was a close game. Michigan only won in Ann Arbor by 6 in 1906, 1 in 1911, and 3 in 1923. Vanderbilt until the 1930's was a solid football team in the south, winning a dozen or so conference championships before the SEC was formed.
They made Texas quit them at the State Fair and Oklahoma was played in their place. Dores are 8-3 if memory serves against the folks in Austin.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:39 pm to Cheese Grits
What are folks hating on poor little Vandy?
Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:39 pm to oman
I find it hard to believe that UA or LSU wouldn't start the season somewhere like ATL or Jerry World vs. Stanford. Esp when UA had played a legit OOC game in a kickoff classic game almost every year since Saban has been the coach. I don't work in the UA AD so I'm not privy to who they talk to or try to schedule but I believe UA plays So Cal next year to start the season. Arkansas also unfortunately played So Cal a few years back, and LSU played Oregon so other PAC schools are playing top tier and whatever tier Arky is on in OOC games.
To be honest, the bowl game I most look forward to other than the playoffs is Stanford vs. Iowa. I love old school football (not Big 12 spread shite) and that game should be right up my alley.
To be honest, the bowl game I most look forward to other than the playoffs is Stanford vs. Iowa. I love old school football (not Big 12 spread shite) and that game should be right up my alley.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:41 pm to Forkbeard3777
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They still haven't played Virginia, Georgia Tech, Indiana, Rutgers, and Maryland. It's a big list.
But they have played other ACC and B1G schools. As for the current SEC they have played NADA, ZERO, ZIP, ZILCH at any SEC's home. Are you really saying to me Stanford has never played any ACC or B1G schools on their turf in 100+ years?
Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:43 pm to Cheese Grits
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How gracious, too bad you would not do the return trips back when Vanderbilt had the good football teams and similar football following. The 1922 game in Nashville was a 0-0 tie and the game in Nashville in 1907 was a close game. Michigan only won in Ann Arbor by 6 in 1906, 1 in 1911, and 3 in 1923. Vanderbilt until the 1930's was a solid football team in the south, winning a dozen or so conference championships before the SEC was formed.
They made Texas quit them at the State Fair and Oklahoma was played in their place. Dores are 8-3 if memory serves against the folks in Austin.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:44 pm to TNTiger1984
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Comparing Stanford and Vanderbilt in Athletics is hard to do..
Most don't even try.
Director's Cup: The University of North Carolina won the award in its inaugural year, and since then, Stanford University has won the Division I award for twenty-one straight years.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:45 pm to Cheese Grits
Okay you young whippersnappers, got to get a shower and make the 4pm blue plate special for seniors. I enjoyed the conversations but have to get going.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:51 pm to LSU GrandDad
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i'm pretty sure vandy has no AD. they disbanded it some years ago and I haven't heard they added it back.
This is what I was thinking. I remember when Vandy did away with their AD and didnt hear that they had reestablished it.
Also, people talking about Vandy needing money from donors, boosters, more ticket sales, etc. What are they doing with their share of the eleventy billion dollars the SEC bowl teams are bringing in as well as the SEC network, etc. I highly doubt they are cash poor. I realize they don't bring in the kind of $ a UA or LSU does from football ticket sales, merch, etc. But they get their cut of the SEC money same as all the other schools. I guess they just spend it on that fricked up basketball court and baseball.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:53 pm to Forkbeard3777
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They aren't USC. They're Stanford.
Haven't they owned USC the last few years? Beating them back to back under Pete Carroll? Certainly they have been superior since the NCAA prison raped USC and Carrol split.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 1:54 pm to Titus Pullo
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I remember when Vandy did away with their AD and didnt hear that they had reestablished it.
They did. July 2012.
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and baseball
Still the most recent men's team national title in the conference.
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 1:58 pm
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