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re: France to accept 30,000 Sryian refugees over the next two years...
Posted on 11/19/15 at 11:23 am to DownSouthJukin
Posted on 11/19/15 at 11:23 am to DownSouthJukin
I think the Constitution only states that the Federal decisions supersede the states - you can be certain there is definitely debate going on with this issue right now. But would you say our country was founded on the ideal of Liberty? The quote on the Statue of Liberty is pretty clear.
Also you just managed to compare slavery to helping refugees from a foreign conflict. I really don't feel the need to make an argument but some changes are good and some are bad.
Yes, a country of 66 million people had 100 killed in attack which to be honest, is not as bad as it could have been. And on 9/11 i think it is clear we were not prepared. I am not saying don't be prepared, don't take precautions, but I personally do not agree with closing our doors to refugees out of fear.
In addition, the most important question across the spectrum of religious, national security and international policy debate that should be considered is how do we find a way to end the conflict. Wouldn't accepting these people into our country and showing them the true compassionate ideals we claim to hold be more effective in turning the worldwide view away from Us vs. Them or this religion vs. that religion towards Peaceful Citizens of the World vs. Radical Terrorists?
Also you just managed to compare slavery to helping refugees from a foreign conflict. I really don't feel the need to make an argument but some changes are good and some are bad.
Yes, a country of 66 million people had 100 killed in attack which to be honest, is not as bad as it could have been. And on 9/11 i think it is clear we were not prepared. I am not saying don't be prepared, don't take precautions, but I personally do not agree with closing our doors to refugees out of fear.
In addition, the most important question across the spectrum of religious, national security and international policy debate that should be considered is how do we find a way to end the conflict. Wouldn't accepting these people into our country and showing them the true compassionate ideals we claim to hold be more effective in turning the worldwide view away from Us vs. Them or this religion vs. that religion towards Peaceful Citizens of the World vs. Radical Terrorists?
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Posted on 11/19/15 at 11:29 am to Sneaky__Sally
I just saw this on the OT - last thing I am going to say as it really is just a difference of opinion. But this quote I think summarizes what I would like to see this country do.
The main take away for me is - not the lack of hating but "You would like me to be scared, for me to look at my fellow citizens with a suspicious eye, for me to sacrifice my liberty for my security"
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Parisian Father Defeats ISIS After Wife Dies in Bataclan Attack(Posted on 11/19/15 at 11:06 am)
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Video here.
English transcript of his Facebook post:
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On Friday evening you stole the life of an exceptional person, the love of my life, the mother of my son, but you will not have my hatred.
I do not know who you are, and I don't want to know. You are dead souls.
If the God for whom you kill so blindly made us in his image, each bullet in my wife's body would have been a wound in his heart.
Therefore, I will not give you the satisfaction of hating you. You want it, but to respond to hatred with anger would be to give in to the same ignorance that made you what you are.
You would like me to be scared, for me to look at my fellow citizens with a suspicious eye, for me to sacrifice my liberty for my security. You have lost. Same player, same game.
I saw her this morning. At last, after nights and days of waiting. She was as beautiful as when she left on Friday evening, as beautiful as when I fell head over heels in love with her more than 12 years ago.
Of course I am devastated with grief, I grant you this small victory, but it will be a short term grief.
I know she will be with us every day and we will find each other in the heaven for free souls to which you will never have access.
Us two, my son and I, we will be stronger than every army in the world. I cannot waste any more time on you as I must go back to [my son] who has just woken from his afternoon nap.
He is only just 17 months old, he is going to eat his snack just like every other day, then we are going to play like every other day and all his life this little boy will be happy and free.
Because you will never have his hatred either.
Antoine Leiris
The main take away for me is - not the lack of hating but "You would like me to be scared, for me to look at my fellow citizens with a suspicious eye, for me to sacrifice my liberty for my security"
This post was edited on 11/19/15 at 11:37 am
Posted on 11/19/15 at 11:38 am to Sneaky__Sally
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I think the Constitution only states that the Federal decisions supersede the states
Is that all that it states? Wow. I've been terribly misinformed.
The Constitution says a lot about where powers are delegated. You should read it. But it never says that we have to take war refugees from the Middle East.
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The quote on the Statue of Liberty is pretty clear.
It's not law, it's from a poem. Thank you. Next?
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Wouldn't accepting these people into our country and showing them the true compassionate ideals we claim to hold be more effective in turning the worldwide view away from Us vs. Them or this religion vs. that religion towards Peaceful Citizens of the World vs. Radical Terrorists?
Holy shite. You just solved all of the world's problems.
No-that wouldn't do a damn thing. We've been doing it for years, and guess what-they're still blowing themselves up and still itching to get over here and kill the frick out of us. They don't give a damn.
This post was edited on 11/19/15 at 11:43 am
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