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re: Video: Bama students pulled from apt, tazed, and beaten by Tuscaloosa PD
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:34 pm to Dawg in Beaumont
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:34 pm to Dawg in Beaumont
I've said several times upthread that there was clearly excessive force used in making the arrests. I'm not making any attempt to argue otherwise.
I'm arguing against the people that are saying the officer had no reason to be standing in the door, the people in the room had every right to force him outside by shutting the door in his face, and that their attempt to do so didn't constitute a criminal offense. They're wrong on every single one of those points.
Don't misunderstand what I'm saying. The level of those offense didn't warrant an arse kicking at all.
As to the 'how to avoid' part, no it isn't too much to ask your law enforcement officers to behave in a professional and legal fashion. It should be expected but just as in all professions there are those that simply aren't going to do it, are having a bad day, misread the situation, or fall into one of a myriad of circumstances that can trigger an incident.
The problem is, of course, that LE has the ability to legally take your freedom and your life so it is much like when you see someone about to run a red light and you've got the green. You want to pull on out and expect him to stop? Go ahead, but that is a great way to get "he had the right of way" on your tombstone.
GeeOH also raised another very valid point. If you ARE doing something illegal, going outside and closing the door behind you removes the 'in plain view' option and then requires a warrant.
I'm arguing against the people that are saying the officer had no reason to be standing in the door, the people in the room had every right to force him outside by shutting the door in his face, and that their attempt to do so didn't constitute a criminal offense. They're wrong on every single one of those points.
Don't misunderstand what I'm saying. The level of those offense didn't warrant an arse kicking at all.
As to the 'how to avoid' part, no it isn't too much to ask your law enforcement officers to behave in a professional and legal fashion. It should be expected but just as in all professions there are those that simply aren't going to do it, are having a bad day, misread the situation, or fall into one of a myriad of circumstances that can trigger an incident.
The problem is, of course, that LE has the ability to legally take your freedom and your life so it is much like when you see someone about to run a red light and you've got the green. You want to pull on out and expect him to stop? Go ahead, but that is a great way to get "he had the right of way" on your tombstone.
GeeOH also raised another very valid point. If you ARE doing something illegal, going outside and closing the door behind you removes the 'in plain view' option and then requires a warrant.
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Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:44 pm to JustGetItRight
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As to the 'how to avoid' part, no it isn't too much to ask your law enforcement officers to behave in a professional and legal fashion. It should be expected but just as in all professions there are those that simply aren't going to do it, are having a bad day, misread the situation, or fall into one of a myriad of circumstances that can trigger an incident.
Well said. I don't think police are any different than teachers, bankers, cooks, etc.
Some are great, some are incompetent, a small percent are truly malicious.
Our country is struggling right now because it seems like you have to say police are pigs or police are heros. They're neither. They are guys that applied for a job and the percent that are good at their job and terrible at their job is about the same as most professions.
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