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re: Video: Bama students pulled from apt, tazed, and beaten by Tuscaloosa PD
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:16 pm to JustGetItRight
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:16 pm to JustGetItRight
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Simple as this right here. It is incredibly easy to avoid getting your arse kicked by the police.
This is of course true, but it's a second question.
There are two issues at play:
Should you show any disrespect to a police officer? The wise answer is no
But people who so often defend police after these videos ignore another important question: How should tax payer supported employees behave in the face of disrespect?
The answer to that is almost certainly not to behave the way these officers did.
Were the guys getting roughed up wise? No
Were the tax payer supported government employees acting like lawless thugs? Yes
We don't draft police. They apply out of free will and we pay their salary. Asking them to not beat the dog shite out of someone being rude isn't too much.
None of what I said obviously applies if you're a far left statist who thinks the government is perfect.
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Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:34 pm to Dawg in Beaumont
I've said several times upthread that there was clearly excessive force used in making the arrests. I'm not making any attempt to argue otherwise.
I'm arguing against the people that are saying the officer had no reason to be standing in the door, the people in the room had every right to force him outside by shutting the door in his face, and that their attempt to do so didn't constitute a criminal offense. They're wrong on every single one of those points.
Don't misunderstand what I'm saying. The level of those offense didn't warrant an arse kicking at all.
As to the 'how to avoid' part, no it isn't too much to ask your law enforcement officers to behave in a professional and legal fashion. It should be expected but just as in all professions there are those that simply aren't going to do it, are having a bad day, misread the situation, or fall into one of a myriad of circumstances that can trigger an incident.
The problem is, of course, that LE has the ability to legally take your freedom and your life so it is much like when you see someone about to run a red light and you've got the green. You want to pull on out and expect him to stop? Go ahead, but that is a great way to get "he had the right of way" on your tombstone.
GeeOH also raised another very valid point. If you ARE doing something illegal, going outside and closing the door behind you removes the 'in plain view' option and then requires a warrant.
I'm arguing against the people that are saying the officer had no reason to be standing in the door, the people in the room had every right to force him outside by shutting the door in his face, and that their attempt to do so didn't constitute a criminal offense. They're wrong on every single one of those points.
Don't misunderstand what I'm saying. The level of those offense didn't warrant an arse kicking at all.
As to the 'how to avoid' part, no it isn't too much to ask your law enforcement officers to behave in a professional and legal fashion. It should be expected but just as in all professions there are those that simply aren't going to do it, are having a bad day, misread the situation, or fall into one of a myriad of circumstances that can trigger an incident.
The problem is, of course, that LE has the ability to legally take your freedom and your life so it is much like when you see someone about to run a red light and you've got the green. You want to pull on out and expect him to stop? Go ahead, but that is a great way to get "he had the right of way" on your tombstone.
GeeOH also raised another very valid point. If you ARE doing something illegal, going outside and closing the door behind you removes the 'in plain view' option and then requires a warrant.
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