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Things that need to happen after the Season
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:29 am
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:29 am
This is my opinion of what CHF needs to do once the season ends to fix the problems.
1. Wommack needs to retire. We need a good young DC. I wouldn't hate the return of T. Allen but a young guy with energy needs to run the defense.
2. Warner needs to move on. Freeze needs to hire someone who has a background in a similar offense and let him take over play calling. It can still be Freeze's offense and system but he needs to be worry about big picture issues. Such as what to do on 4th down, how to use TO, etc. he can't do that while he calls plays.
3. They need to sit down and study the OLine situation. I hope the problem is that we whiffed in the first 2 classes that Freeze had and we have no So./Jr. Lineman worth a damn. Or we just can't developed Olineman and we need to make a change. Same with LBs.
These are all issues that need to be handled before this thing Nutts out of control.
1. Wommack needs to retire. We need a good young DC. I wouldn't hate the return of T. Allen but a young guy with energy needs to run the defense.
2. Warner needs to move on. Freeze needs to hire someone who has a background in a similar offense and let him take over play calling. It can still be Freeze's offense and system but he needs to be worry about big picture issues. Such as what to do on 4th down, how to use TO, etc. he can't do that while he calls plays.
3. They need to sit down and study the OLine situation. I hope the problem is that we whiffed in the first 2 classes that Freeze had and we have no So./Jr. Lineman worth a damn. Or we just can't developed Olineman and we need to make a change. Same with LBs.
These are all issues that need to be handled before this thing Nutts out of control.
This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 11:30 am
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Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:40 am to HottyToddy7
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:41 am to sorantable
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I'm trying to care again.
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Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:43 am to sorantable
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:56 am to HottyToddy7
You said Wommack and Warner need to go, but not Matt Luke?
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:57 am to sorantable
Perfect time to Swanson this season.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:58 am to rebelcommodore
I said it needs to be looked at. Some of the issue is play calling. Freeze is trying to make Bell pull a lot when it's obvious he can't do it. Can Bell be successful on plays he doesn't have to pull? Maybe. It's a discussion that needs to be had. Is it talent and development or trying to fit a square peg in a round hole with scheme. I'm not sure.
In Freeze's first year everyone wanted to give Luke a medal for improving the OLine from the precious year. And he is an above average recruiter.
In Freeze's first year everyone wanted to give Luke a medal for improving the OLine from the precious year. And he is an above average recruiter.
This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:59 am to rebelcommodore
You don't agree that the defense has been as bad or worse than the OL?
Posted on 10/19/15 at 12:05 pm to gamemc
Ok, the first thing that HAS to happen is Luke needs to be gone. I don't think anyone can argue there is anything more important than that. Another issue I have that I have not seen brought up is Paul Jackson. Is he any good as our strength and conditioning coach? Seems like we have had issues with certain players not gaining needed weight and others not losing weight that they should. Combine that with the fact we seem to always suffer injuries and run out of gas in the 2nd half, I think that might be an easy position to improve.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 12:13 pm to rebsfan10
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Another issue I have that I have not seen brought up is Paul Jackson. Is he any good as our strength and conditioning coach? Seems like we have had issues with certain players not gaining needed weight and others not losing weight that they should. Combine that with the fact we seem to always suffer injuries and run out of gas in the 2nd half, I think that might be an easy position to improve.
Everyone has been blowing him since he got here, but the lack of results in the weight room has got to be brought up at some point.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 12:24 pm to gamemc
I think getting rid of Wommack after we had one of the best defenses last year is a bit knee jerk, we should wait to see how the rest of the season plays out.
Now... Matt Luke has sucked for 3 years. I know play calling, and injuries are a major concern, but even the players who are not injured are missing blocks completely and play soft as hell. That is coaching, that is consistently happening.
Now... Matt Luke has sucked for 3 years. I know play calling, and injuries are a major concern, but even the players who are not injured are missing blocks completely and play soft as hell. That is coaching, that is consistently happening.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 12:46 pm to HottyToddy7
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Can Bell be successful on plays he doesn't have to pull?
Lol, no.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 12:46 pm to rebelcommodore
From an outsider's perspective you guys should strongly consider firing your strength and conditioning coach. I've never seen a major football program consistently yield so many big injuries year after year. I know "WAOM", but I can't help but think it's all just luck and coincidence.
And yes, get some new blood with a few good assistants. I can admire loyalty with the guys who got you there, but Ole Miss might be the only major football program that I couldn't honestly recognize a single assistant coach other than your DC. Your budget has grown substantially, open up tnetwork checkbook and make a big splash hire. A shame (or not for the rest of the SEC) Hugh couldn't snag Lincoln Riley while he was at ECU. Similar philosophy as freeze but a much better playcaller.
It took Les Miles a lot of trial and error before he finally put together this staff. LSU suffered through Gary Crowton, Strudawa as OL coach, Dan Yanowski at ST (I know, who the frick is that?) , etc. just need to fire Peveto now.
And yes, get some new blood with a few good assistants. I can admire loyalty with the guys who got you there, but Ole Miss might be the only major football program that I couldn't honestly recognize a single assistant coach other than your DC. Your budget has grown substantially, open up tnetwork checkbook and make a big splash hire. A shame (or not for the rest of the SEC) Hugh couldn't snag Lincoln Riley while he was at ECU. Similar philosophy as freeze but a much better playcaller.
It took Les Miles a lot of trial and error before he finally put together this staff. LSU suffered through Gary Crowton, Strudawa as OL coach, Dan Yanowski at ST (I know, who the frick is that?
) , etc. just need to fire Peveto now.This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 10/19/15 at 1:11 pm to tigerbait2010
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From an outsider's perspective you guys should strongly consider firing your strength and conditioning coach. I've never seen a major football program consistently yield so many big injuries year after year. I know "WAOM", but I can't help but think it's all just luck and coincidence
I thought most of the injuries had little to do with strength and conditioning, It seemed more like fractures and stuff. But I could see your point.
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I can admire loyalty with the guys who got you there
Screw loyalty. A football team doesn't exist as a charity, it is built to win, Freeze needs to fire people he is loyal to, end of question.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 1:20 pm to rebelcommodore
Yeah, I mean injuries are inevitable and some are just completely unavoidable. I just think it's bizarre that multiple injuries seem to be the norm for you guys. I wouldn't shoulder the blame strictly on coaching, but I don't see any way it doesn't come into play to a certain degree.
Totally agree. It's disgusting seeing Peveto hover around Les all game and in all likelihood kiss his arse 24/7. Peveto wasn't even good the first time he was at LSU, and we're the worst special teams unit in all of the P5 conferences with a lot of great athletes. 126th in the country in kick and punt coverage, it's been fricking dreadful. Peveto can recruit, but whoopty fricking do the rest of the staff is great at it too. It's just clear they are friends, and he's just not getting it done.
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Screw loyalty. A football team doesn't exist as a charity, it is built to win, Freeze needs to fire people he is loyal to, end of question.
Totally agree. It's disgusting seeing Peveto hover around Les all game and in all likelihood kiss his arse 24/7. Peveto wasn't even good the first time he was at LSU, and we're the worst special teams unit in all of the P5 conferences with a lot of great athletes. 126th in the country in kick and punt coverage, it's been fricking dreadful. Peveto can recruit, but whoopty fricking do the rest of the staff is great at it too. It's just clear they are friends, and he's just not getting it done.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 1:21 pm to rebelcommodore
This entire thread is funny because I thought I went back in time to the Houston Nutt years. Hear me out.
OC during Nutt years sucked, people called for his head. OL coach sucked and he was fired. DC Nix had a solid defense one year and the following year couldn't stop the zone read. Same way this staff can't seem to figure out the underneath routes.
Then everyone called for the SC head in the Nutt years, same way with Jackson. We had some solid years recruiting on paper in 08 and 09 but when you looked back at them years later the majority of the class never contributed. Oh look 2013 classes that was praised as a great class doesn't appear so great. There is nothing about 2016 that appears to be showing promise.
Are we looking at the early signs of Houston Nutt 2.0 or is that a overreaction?
OC during Nutt years sucked, people called for his head. OL coach sucked and he was fired. DC Nix had a solid defense one year and the following year couldn't stop the zone read. Same way this staff can't seem to figure out the underneath routes.
Then everyone called for the SC head in the Nutt years, same way with Jackson. We had some solid years recruiting on paper in 08 and 09 but when you looked back at them years later the majority of the class never contributed. Oh look 2013 classes that was praised as a great class doesn't appear so great. There is nothing about 2016 that appears to be showing promise.
Are we looking at the early signs of Houston Nutt 2.0 or is that a overreaction?
Posted on 10/19/15 at 1:23 pm to rebelcommodore
Personally I don't think Wommack is the issue. We are tops in the conference on 1st and 2nd down, causing turnover, and tfl, forced fumbles, qb hurries. Top 5. On 3rd down we just happen to be one of the worst in the country.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 1:25 pm to Doresrules
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We had some solid years recruiting on paper in 08 and 09 but when you looked back at them years later the majority of the class never contributed. Oh look 2013 classes that was praised as a great class doesn't appear so great. There is nothing about 2016 that appears to be showing promise.
This is the exact shite obsessive State fans have been pointing out for years, but none of us would admit.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 1:28 pm to HottyToddy7
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1. Wommack needs to retire. We need a good young DC. I wouldn't hate the return of T. Allen but a young guy with energy needs to run the defense.
I'm torn - Wommack is a great football coach, but this year has been a shiteshow on 3rd down. Plus he brings nothing on recruiting trail.
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2. Warner needs to move on. Freeze needs to hire someone who has a background in a similar offense and let him take over play calling. It can still be Freeze's offense and system but he needs to be worry about big picture issues. Such as what to do on 4th down, how to use TO, etc. he can't do that while he calls plays.
Werner is truly an empty seat.
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3. They need to sit down and study the OLine situation. I hope the problem is that we whiffed in the first 2 classes that Freeze had and we have no So./Jr. Lineman worth a damn. Or we just can't developed Olineman and we need to make a change. Same with LBs.
An OL coach that has exp. running spread would be more ideal (ie a guy who has worked at a Big 12 school). Luke is a solid recruiter, tho.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 1:29 pm to OBReb6
It deserves to be asked for sure.
I've stated for the longest if I were Florida I'd make a real hard push for Patterson. Grier will be out for half the year next year. That team is young and talented with a stud coach...
Ole Miss is at a turning point in my opinion. We'll see how its handled.
I've stated for the longest if I were Florida I'd make a real hard push for Patterson. Grier will be out for half the year next year. That team is young and talented with a stud coach...
Ole Miss is at a turning point in my opinion. We'll see how its handled.
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