re: I'm tired of people trying to argue the Big 10/PAC 12 are on our level

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There is a difference between a good team that has to play 3 games a year they have any realistic chance of losing and a good team that has to play double that.

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Utah plays Michigan, Oregon, Cal, Southern Cal, UCLA, Pac 12 championship.

Southern Cal plays Stanford, Notre Dame, Utah, Cal, Arizona, Oregon, UCLA, Pac 12 championship. It's the hardest schedule in the country.

Pac 12 schools also play 9 conference games, and teams like Southern Cal, UCLA, Utah, Stanford, etc. don't have any FCS teams on their schedule like SEC teams do. Playing a real team every week has to count for something, too.

If you're in the Pac 12 South, you're not exactly going through a cake walk. I think the SEC West is better than the Pac 12 South, but I don't think it's that much better. We'll have to wait and see how the rest of this season plays out, though, to see. Just like last year.