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Tennessee fans, thoughts on Debord?
Posted on 9/20/15 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 9/20/15 at 6:58 pm
Seems like Dobbs has regressed a little bit this year in the passing game. Is this play calling, scheme, or just lack of execution by the players?
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Posted on 9/20/15 at 6:59 pm to boXerrumble
Or having film on him and teams being prepared.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 7:00 pm to boXerrumble
OU was a bad stats game but otherwise things have been fine on offense. The one thing that has driven me nuts is that we're not running Dobbs the way we were. I don't know if that ends in the Swamp or not but I got the feeling we've been super-careful with him in the first few games.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 7:05 pm to boXerrumble
It looks to me that Dobbs is having trouble going through progressions and seeing open receivers. I think things were simpler for him last year.
Play calling has been decent except for those last 4 or 5 series in the OU game. To be fair, some of that was execution...that dropped pass killed us.
Play calling has been decent except for those last 4 or 5 series in the OU game. To be fair, some of that was execution...that dropped pass killed us.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 7:08 pm to boXerrumble
Dobbs is average at best passing the ball. He's James Banks 2.0
Posted on 9/20/15 at 7:08 pm to Robert Goulet
Cant play Bowling Green all the time...their defense is turrible and taints their stats. We will see how well UTs offense plays this weekend.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 8:13 pm to boXerrumble
You asked about Debord, but I'll respond to your post about Dobbs because Debord has only called 3 games 2 of which were against terrible defenses so who really knows..
Dobbs is just not that accurate of a passer tbh. The reason UT fans were so high on him when he came in was because we were used to watching the highly immobile Justin Worley behind an absolutely terrible offensive line. He would just get sacked over and over again, it was frustrating to watch to say the least. Dobbs changed the dynamic with his legs, and we weren't really sacrificing the deep ball threat, because we didn't have the OL to create time to throw deep routes anyway.
Our OL this year (although still weak) seems to be better, and can occasionally buy the time for intermediate-deep routes to develop, but we still have no signs of an improved pass game down the field. IMO this is because it is becoming more evident that the mobility of Dobbs comes at the cost of consistency in terms of accuracy, especially on routes over 15 yards. This has some fans worrying that teams will stack the box and make us beat them over the top, which seems to be tough for Dobbs to do. I think teams are realizing this, due to the Kentucky posters point about them having a lot more game film on him, and that is the reason he looks to have regressed.
Dobbs is just not that accurate of a passer tbh. The reason UT fans were so high on him when he came in was because we were used to watching the highly immobile Justin Worley behind an absolutely terrible offensive line. He would just get sacked over and over again, it was frustrating to watch to say the least. Dobbs changed the dynamic with his legs, and we weren't really sacrificing the deep ball threat, because we didn't have the OL to create time to throw deep routes anyway.
Our OL this year (although still weak) seems to be better, and can occasionally buy the time for intermediate-deep routes to develop, but we still have no signs of an improved pass game down the field. IMO this is because it is becoming more evident that the mobility of Dobbs comes at the cost of consistency in terms of accuracy, especially on routes over 15 yards. This has some fans worrying that teams will stack the box and make us beat them over the top, which seems to be tough for Dobbs to do. I think teams are realizing this, due to the Kentucky posters point about them having a lot more game film on him, and that is the reason he looks to have regressed.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 8:16 pm to volTRU
Offense appears to be working despite whatever nitpicks we might have: Tennessee has scored more points in the first three games this season than any season since 1914.
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Posted on 9/20/15 at 8:17 pm to volTRU
Debord has been fine. Our WRs haven't been able to get open in press man, that's on them. Dobbs was never a great passer, but this year he has definitely been taught to be more careful running. It's limited his scrambling and running ability that made him dynamic last year
Posted on 9/20/15 at 8:22 pm to Prof
Yea, but 114 of our 138 points came against a terrible BG defense, and a FCS team. The other 24 came in a 2 OT game against a very lackluster OU defense.
I'm not coming to any conclusions on Debord, I think he's done fine so far and it's early, I'm just saying we do have legit concerns with our passing game that could be exploited by teams like Florida who can stack the box to stop the run, be disruptive against our OL, and force us to beat their very good secondary over the top.
I'm not coming to any conclusions on Debord, I think he's done fine so far and it's early, I'm just saying we do have legit concerns with our passing game that could be exploited by teams like Florida who can stack the box to stop the run, be disruptive against our OL, and force us to beat their very good secondary over the top.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 8:24 pm to Supravol22
The OL isn't great, and with Dobbs we can't throw downfield. As others have noted,for Dobbs to be effective, he's got to tuck it and go on at least five called pass plays.
I have no idea how to grade Deboard yet. I do not like taking Hurd out in the red zone.
I'm also concerned our WRs can't get separation.
We have solid skill pieces, but it remains to be seen if we can maximize them.
I have no idea how to grade Deboard yet. I do not like taking Hurd out in the red zone.
I'm also concerned our WRs can't get separation.
We have solid skill pieces, but it remains to be seen if we can maximize them.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 8:26 pm to boXerrumble
the main problem id have is the development/production from the wr's
Posted on 9/20/15 at 8:29 pm to murfvol
Yea, this is what confuses me. We have a really solid WR corps, but for some reason we struggle to get it to any of them in space not counting a damn bubble screen. Whether that be a drag or slant route against a blitz, or something further down the field. Marquez North, for example, has been non existent and unable to get the ball in space for some reason.
PS: I also did not enjoy seeing Hurd on the sideline on a 3rd and goal from the one.
PS: I also did not enjoy seeing Hurd on the sideline on a 3rd and goal from the one.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 8:31 pm to murfvol
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I'm also concerned our WRs can't get separation.
I think Azzani sucks and he seems like a prick.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 8:33 pm to volTRU
Is there just not enough downfield routes being run by the WRs?
North is arguably your best WR. If hes not going deep its a waste of his talent IMO.
North is arguably your best WR. If hes not going deep its a waste of his talent IMO.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 8:34 pm to Robert Goulet
I haven't heard about him being a prick, but I don't watch any of his media session stuff so maybe you are right. I do think he should be evaluated and let go if we don't get more production out of our receivers. There is just too much depth and talent in that position group for them to not be able to get separation or production.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 8:36 pm to volTRU
Pure conjecture on my part. He might be a great guy for all I know, but he just seems to have a complex. A guy that tries to act tough for no reason.
No matter, I agree with you that there is too much talent in that group for them not to abuse defenses.
No matter, I agree with you that there is too much talent in that group for them not to abuse defenses.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 8:37 pm to boXerrumble
I really don't know. It's either Dobbs lacks the accuracy to get it to the WR's downfield, or they just aren't winning the one on one battles and getting separation. But I totally agree, North should get some looks deep with his size. Like last year, I felt like every time we threw a go route, it was to Pig Howard our 5'7'' shortest receiver aka the guy who should be coming out of the slot getting the quick and/or underneath stuff with space to make plays lol
This post was edited on 9/20/15 at 8:40 pm
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