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Posted on 2/22/16 at 5:19 pm to
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
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Posted on 2/22/16 at 5:19 pm to
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I wish Trump would, but he's going to make deals and go down as one of the most liberal Republicans of all time.



Would be hard to top Nixon and Bush 43.

Something that is taking shape is the transformation of terminology here. Liberal and conservative are getting supplanted by "Globalism and Nationalism."

I can't defend Trump anymore, partly for the reason that I don't know what a conservative is anymore. Bush Republicanism is what most 'conservative' people seem to want, that or Ted "Body of Christ" Cruz. I'm not evangelical, and I'm not a Neo-con Bushite, but I'd always called myself 'very conservative.'

The other reason being that I have Neo-Cons telling me how Trump is a liberal, and liberals calling him a far right fascist. I can't argue both ways.

Trump most closely resembles Andrew Jackson, more than any other president. The more I read about Jackson the more I like, and the more I realize the public school drive by narrative is built on the dual narrative of 'Trail of Tears' and 'states rights' which only require about 10 minutes of research to dispute whether Jackson was wrong in either case.

You will not convince me that after 8 years of terrible executive leadership, I need to save the nation by voting in another first term senator because 'he agrees with us.' Cruz and Rubio still have NO EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE. Deal breaker for me.
Posted by Iosh
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 2/22/16 at 6:46 pm to
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Something that is taking shape is the transformation of terminology here. Liberal and conservative are getting supplanted by "Globalism and Nationalism."
I know you think this is getting smarter every time you say it but it isn't.

For starters you're weak-manning globalism by trying to unify economic globalization (i.e., free trade, migration) with neo-con style military imperialism while ignoring the fact that there's plenty of people who support the former and reject the latter, as a cursory comparison between WTO membership and our "coalition of the willing" illustrates.

In addition most of the hot zones we see today are not the result of "globalism" but individual nations waggling their dicks to establish and defend spheres of influence (which is classic nationalism).

Do tell me what revisionism your "10 minutes of research" turned up regarding the Treaty of New Echota, though. I could use some quality r/badhistory chuckles.
This post was edited on 2/22/16 at 6:50 pm
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34342 posts
Posted on 2/22/16 at 6:50 pm to
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Trump most closely resembles Andrew Jackson, more than any other president.


Exactly. I have been saying that for months. He is a modern Andrew Jackson.
Posted by greenbastard
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Posted on 2/22/16 at 6:58 pm to
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I can't defend Trump anymore, partly for the reason that I don't know what a conservative is anymore.

To be fair, there is no candidate out there that is truly conservative. They all want to use the government to achieve their goals, which goes against being a true conservative. It doesn't help that every Republican candidate seems to be riding the retard-wave of the extremist, uneducated far-right (which is not going to win moderates and level-headed conservatives like myself).

I don't want the government to expand its reach (Sanders). I don't like people who think they're above the government (Hillary). I don't want someone running the White House as if it were a church (Cruz). I don't want a guy who has flopped on literally everything he stands for (Trump). I don't want a guy who speaks like a robot (Rubio). The only guys I was willing to vote for are out, and the only one I could get behind may bow out any minute now (kasich)

Republicans could have easily won this had they all stood behind a candidate that isn't an extremist. Someone who doesn't talk about illegals as if they were all hard core criminals. Someone that would just accept the fact that the government should have no say in who should and should not get married. A candidate that acknowledges that African Americans still face many injustices and that not all Muslims are terrorist. We needed a candidate that was open minded and stood for all people, regardless of sex, religion, sexual orientation or race and just wanted to keep the federal government in-check. But instead they fell for the Palin-like extremists and we ended up with Trump and Cruz.

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