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re: How mad is Dylan Roof?

Posted on 6/30/15 at 4:04 pm to
Posted by 3nOut
Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
29549 posts
Posted on 6/30/15 at 4:04 pm to
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unanimously considered right-wing.


by the left. yes. sure. i think you could find matching qualities to the left and right for any good or bad government. no conservative will happily accept that comparison. leftists think that communism wasn't a bad thing and a lot more people died at the hand of communist governments than the Nazis.

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I actually gave you so many points that it's just obvious that you're a partisan line-dragger.



how so? i hate all of the republicans in power positions.


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Which side was against gay marriage?



both till about 2008. not a single candidate i like is against gay marriage.

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Which side started two long-term wars?



both. and Vietnam is solely on the left.

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Which side is more nationalistic? Flag burners or Right Wingers?



are you arguing that nationalism is a bad thing?

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Which side is more concerned with family values? (Our nation was built on Christianity and the family...sound familiar?)



i like family values.

i don't like sticking my family values on your dick, i want your dick to have the freedom to do what it wants. but i don't like it when the freedom of your dick tells me what i have to do or shoves itself in my face.

if that's family values, then sure.

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Which side thinks religion should dictate what happens in government? Abortion, marriage? (Deregulating marriage is different from putting strict definitions on it.)


are you submitting that every politician should leave their core values are at the door? i agree on abortion, but that's pretty much the only point that i'm unyielding on and won't till the day i die. but again, i don't support anti-SSM candidates.

you're ignoring anything that has to do with the fact that facists want communal living and state dependence. doesn't line up with my partisan line-dragging.
This post was edited on 6/30/15 at 4:10 pm
Posted by skirpnasty
Atlantis
Member since Aug 2012
10781 posts
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:15 am to
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Which side thinks religion should dictate what happens in government? Abortion, marriage? (Deregulating marriage is different from putting strict definitions on it.)


Abortion is way less to do with religion and way more to do with being fricked up. Gay marriage is a completely different animal, don't put the two in the same category. Gay marriage has no effect on anyone not involved, abortion is directly taking a life. To compare the two is laughable.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 7/1/15 at 4:09 pm to
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by the left. yes.


Hitler in Mein Kampf directly attacked both left-wing and right-wing politics in Germany.[72] However, a majority of scholars identify Nazism in practice as being a far-right form of politics.[73]

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how so? i hate all of the republicans in power positions.


But you identify more with Right-Wing, which is why you can't see that just because Nazis were right-wing doesn't mean anything at all.

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are you arguing that nationalism is a bad thing?


I'm saying:

Who is more Nationalistic, do you think GOP supporters or Democratic supporters?

Who is more likely to be xenophobic, the right or the left?

Who is more likely to allow more citizens access firearms, the right or the left?

If you asked soldiers today which party supports the military more, do you think it'd be the right or the left?

If you had to ask who were more concerned with the moral fibre of America, would it be left or right?

Absolutely none of those fall into the Modern Democratic Party.

The only thing I notice is that there is a very subtle racism and sexism creeping up from the left (and really it's not very subtle).

Germany didn't want equality -- they wanted superiority, equality for ONE group, not everyone, which is why they were neither Socialist or Communist.

Traditionally, the more you value community over solitary citizens, the more left you are.

Having a single class dominate everyone else was NOT the intention of Socialism or any leftist movement.

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you're ignoring anything that has to do with the fact that facists want communal living and state dependence. doesn't line up with my partisan line-dragging


You're ignoring traditional roles of left and right wing.

Libertarians actually belong on the LEFT wing.

''Fascism is considered by certain scholars to be right-wing because of its social conservatism and authoritarian means of opposing egalitarianism.[40][41] Roderick Stackelberg places fascism—including Nazism, which he says is "a radical variant of fascism"—on the right, explaining that "the more a person deems absolute equality among all people to be a desirable condition, the further left he or she will be on the ideological spectrum. The more a person considers inequality to be unavoidable or even desirable, the further to the right he or she will be."[42]''

There is general agreement that the Left includes: anarchists, anti-capitalists, anti-imperialists, autonomists, communists, democratic-socialists, feminists, greens, left-libertarians, progressives, secularists, socialists, social-democrats and social-liberals.[5][6][7]

There is also general consensus that the Right includes: capitalists, conservatives, fascists, monarchists, nationalists, neoconservatives, neoliberals, reactionaries, right-libertarians, social-authoritarians, theocrats and traditionalists.[8]
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