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Posted on 4/6/15 at 7:14 pm to aggressor
Posted on 4/6/15 at 7:14 pm to aggressor
So have the percentage of children getting the MMR vaccine risen incidentally with people developing diabetes and Celiac's? We've been giving people the MMR vaccine for generations, haven't we? Measles is a deadly disease.
I'm not discounting what you're saying, but I just don't get why someone would be against a vaccination against measles, and even assuming every anecdotal story of someone developing problems associated with vaccine to be true, how would this outweigh the risk of outbreaks of measles which are not anecdotal at all, they have in fact happened.
I'm not discounting what you're saying, but I just don't get why someone would be against a vaccination against measles, and even assuming every anecdotal story of someone developing problems associated with vaccine to be true, how would this outweigh the risk of outbreaks of measles which are not anecdotal at all, they have in fact happened.
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Posted on 4/16/15 at 9:17 am to TeLeFaWx
Just getting back to this thread. MMR is just one vaccine, now pediatricians are pushing parents to give their kids dozens of them, typically at the same time and in various combination cocktails. Then you have annual flu vaccines. It's just a lot to introduce into the system of a healthy child and not all vaccines are as thoroughly tested as others. Every vaccine has a certain percentage of patients that will have adverse reactions as well, some more serious than others. The most common symptom is a fever, especially when multiple vaccines are given at the same time.
My main point is that it is a lot more complicated than just saying any parent that doesn't vaccinate their child with every vaccine the Dr has available isn't crazy. Are the increased number of vaccinations related to the increases in autoimmune diseases and other ailments such as autism? We just don't know for sure, there is no scientific proof as of yet.
What is certain is that some things we do medically today are bound to be considered crazy decades from now just as they were in the past. For instance when my Mom was pregnant the first time she had a miscarriage and then for her second pregnancy they gave her a cocktail of medications that they would never consider today. My sister was born premature and has health issues to this day. When both of us were kids they actually encouraged Moms to feed their kids formula over breast milk. My Mom is an RN btw.
People just need to be informed and look at all the information out there and make their own decisions. Maybe my son would have developed Type 1 had he never gotten a vaccination, we will never know. Interestingly enough now they are showing some signs of progress in potentially reversing Type 1 using the tuberculosis vaccine (which kids are no longer vaccinated with typically in the US). There is real hope for reversal of Type 1 with this and other methods and there has been at least some success in reversing Type 1 in a few people. Medical science is ever evolving.
My main point is that it is a lot more complicated than just saying any parent that doesn't vaccinate their child with every vaccine the Dr has available isn't crazy. Are the increased number of vaccinations related to the increases in autoimmune diseases and other ailments such as autism? We just don't know for sure, there is no scientific proof as of yet.
What is certain is that some things we do medically today are bound to be considered crazy decades from now just as they were in the past. For instance when my Mom was pregnant the first time she had a miscarriage and then for her second pregnancy they gave her a cocktail of medications that they would never consider today. My sister was born premature and has health issues to this day. When both of us were kids they actually encouraged Moms to feed their kids formula over breast milk. My Mom is an RN btw.
People just need to be informed and look at all the information out there and make their own decisions. Maybe my son would have developed Type 1 had he never gotten a vaccination, we will never know. Interestingly enough now they are showing some signs of progress in potentially reversing Type 1 using the tuberculosis vaccine (which kids are no longer vaccinated with typically in the US). There is real hope for reversal of Type 1 with this and other methods and there has been at least some success in reversing Type 1 in a few people. Medical science is ever evolving.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 9:26 am to TeLeFaWx
What is the risk of vaccinated children contracted the disease if a non vaccinate kid is present?
Now let's say that lots of people to no vaccination and outbreak does start to become more frequent. After a very small amount of media coverage the general public would run out and very one would start getting vaccinated again , problem solved..
We should require everyone to get vaccinated as well as ban any car from being able to exceed 75 mph and also every car be installed with a breathalyzer before engine can be started
Now let's say that lots of people to no vaccination and outbreak does start to become more frequent. After a very small amount of media coverage the general public would run out and very one would start getting vaccinated again , problem solved..
We should require everyone to get vaccinated as well as ban any car from being able to exceed 75 mph and also every car be installed with a breathalyzer before engine can be started
Posted on 4/16/15 at 11:31 am to TeLeFaWx
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Measles is a deadly disease
Measles is a contagious disease. In developed countries I would argue it's not AS serious. How many deaths in the US from Measles since 2000? Still think people should get the vaccine, but i think the fear mongering on both sides of this debate is pretty crazy. When the outbreak in Disney happened. Thousands upon thousands (tons of kids) visited the park and only 131 people were infected mostly those who were unvaccinated. Parents of kids who are too young/cant be vaccinated should be careful of the situations they introduce their kids to. i.e. If my son had an autoimmune deficiency I dont think I'd be taking him to Disney.
WHO - Measles
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Measles is still common in many developing countries – particularly in parts of Africa and Asia. The overwhelming majority (more than 95%) of measles deaths occur in countries with low per capita incomes and weak health infrastructures.
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