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re: Do you feel bad about the US dropping the atomic bombs on Japan?

Posted on 2/25/15 at 8:41 am to
Posted by skirpnasty
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Posted on 2/25/15 at 8:41 am to
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But also in part that they were both unprovoked attacks on people who had in no way had attacked them first.


While this is true, Pearl Harbor targeted military while 9/11 and the atomic bombs primarily targeted civilians. We have been present in the Middle East since the 80's, so I really can't say that we hadn't in some way attacked the terrorist groups that carried out 9/11. Granted, they are terrorists, we should be taking action against them. But from their screwed up view we were aggressors.

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In part, yes. Patriotism isn't something to be ashamed of IMO.


I agree.
This post was edited on 2/25/15 at 8:42 am
Posted by JustGetItRight
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Posted on 2/25/15 at 9:05 am to
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While this is true, Pearl Harbor targeted military while 9/11 and the atomic bombs primarily targeted civilians.


Geez, I can't believe that I'm about to be labeled like some terrorist supporter like Catfan but here goes...

You can easily make the argument that the 9/11 attacks were against valid military targets. First, the Pentagon is a no-brainer. Clearly a military target. Second, the plane that went down in PA was probably bound for a DC target. While some argue against it, the targeting of an enemy's political leadership is generally an accepted tactic.

That leaves the WTC. Certainly a civilian owned and occupied target, but also a big part of the US financial (and thus industrial) hub and destroying the industrial and economic base of the enemy is a valid military objective.

Understand, I'm in no way defending the attacks themselves. I honestly would have supported the use of groundburst nukes to get the frickers when they where holed up in the Afghan mountains but from a military operations perspective, the targets they hit that day were pretty legit.

As far as the a-bomb targets go, Hiroshima was the headquarters for the Japanese Second Army - the unit in charge of defending Kyushu - which was to be invaded in a couple of months. It was also a transportation hub that hadn't been hit by previous bombing raids. Nagasaki was a major seaport, shipyards, and also home to steelworks and ordinance plants. Like Hiroshima, it had also been mostly spared from earlier raids. It was also the alternate target that day. The primary was socked in by clouds and smoke. Again, both were pretty legit targets.

Posted by cokebottleag
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Posted on 2/25/15 at 9:15 am to
I'm curious why the idea of civilians being an invalid target seems to be 100% accepted here.

WW2 was a "total war" where entire populaces were required to keep it going. Why is it morally wrong to bomb the factory full of civilian workers building the guns, but morally acceptable to bomb the uniformed logistics trains bringing the guns to the front, or the uniformed units who fire the guns at the front.

Do you really have to wait until the guns or people are actually firing at you?
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