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re: Kenny Hill named A&M starter

Posted on 8/17/14 at 2:05 am to
Posted by randomways
North Carolina
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Posted on 8/17/14 at 2:05 am to
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He is not expected to be Johnny.

He is expected to be Kenny.


Honest question -- do y'all think Sumlin will catch lightning in a bottle with Hill the way he did with Manziel? I never really perceived Manziel as being a product of Sumlin's coaching so much as a diamond in the rough that Sumlin was lucky to find. Obviously coaching matters, but I'm not sure how much of Manziel's success TAMU fans attribute to Sumlin's coaching and how much they feel he would have torn it up pretty much anywhere that had a good o-line, ann effective multiple spread system, and a pitbull of a primary receiver.
Posted by finestfirst79
Vicksburg, Mississippi
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 8/17/14 at 2:13 am to
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Honest question -- do y'all think Sumlin will catch lightning in a bottle with Hill the way he did with Manziel?


No, and I think we all think that's a silly question. There will never be another. At least not anytime soon. I do think that either Kenny Hill or Kyle Allen could be very good, particularly under Sumlin's tutelage. But even if A&M has a much better than expected year, the QB won't constantly be on SportsCenter highlights.
Posted by SwaggerCopter
H TINE HOL IT DINE
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 8/17/14 at 2:19 am to
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Honest question -- do y'all think Sumlin will catch lightning in a bottle with Hill the way he did with Manziel? I never really perceived Manziel as being a product of Sumlin's coaching so much as a diamond in the rough that Sumlin was lucky to find. Obviously coaching matters, but I'm not sure how much of Manziel's success TAMU fans attribute to Sumlin's coaching and how much they feel he would have torn it up pretty much anywhere that had a good o-line, ann effective multiple spread system, and a pitbull of a primary receiver.



No. There won't be another Johnny. But I think part of Sumlin is excited about that. Johnny was a lot of work off the field, and Sumlin basically got no credit for anything the last two years. Not to mention, that every time Johnny had a highlight play, he wasn't exactly running the offense Sumlin liked. I think Sumlin is looking forward to another Case Keenum type of situation, not that a QB will be THAT successful in the SEC.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 8/17/14 at 3:58 am to
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do y'all think Sumlin will catch lightning in a bottle with Hill the way he did with Manziel?


As an OC or HC, Sumlin has taken two and three-stars Sam Bradford, Case Keenum and Johnny Manziel all from complete obscurity to Heisman winners/contenders. He has coached one of the top three QBs in college football almost every single season since 2007. At some point, don't we have to start considering that that isn't a coincidence?

So yes, I think it is very possible that Kenny Hill and/or Kyle Allen will eventually be one of if not the best QB in college football.

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never really perceived Manziel as being a product of Sumlin's coaching so much as a diamond in the rough that Sumlin was lucky to find.


Because that is how you choose to perceive it. There is sufficient evidence for an objective observer to say that Kevin Sumlin will routinely produce great QBs for as long as he chooses to coach.

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Obviously coaching matters, but I'm not sure how much of Manziel's success TAMU fans attribute to Sumlin's coaching and how much they feel he would have torn it up pretty much anywhere that had a good o-line, ann effective multiple spread system, and a pitbull of a primary receiver.


The great irony of Manziel is that he was so personally gifted and so often tried for the big play that the offense suffered at times, such as against LSU. In the second half of the 2012 game and all of last year's game, Chevis dared Manziel to dink and dunk his defense to death. He took away the big play Manziel is always looking for and didn't allow him to run, and Manziel was not patient enough to take the 5-10 yard stuff that was WIDE OPEN all game by design.

In many ways, our offense might be more efficient with a QB who plays within the system more.
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