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re: America Is Not For Black People
Posted on 8/13/14 at 6:29 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 8/13/14 at 6:29 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I understand but disagree here
and here
its all good though
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I don't feel bad about their kids,
and here
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children suffer
its all good though
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Posted on 8/13/14 at 6:36 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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I understand but disagree here
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I don't feel bad about their kids,
and here
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children suffer
its all good though
If that's what it takes to educate, that's what they need.
Staying in a perpetual impoverished - criminal - incarceration - impoverished - criminal - incarceration cycle is worse. It sucks, but that's exactly the medicine in order.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 6:39 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
i don't really agree that your way will fix it or that those are the only two options, but we are just on different wavelengths here so I don't think there is anywhere else to go with this. If I used emoticons I would use the cheers one right now.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 6:42 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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i don't really agree that your way will fix it or that those are the only two options, but we are just on different wavelengths here so I don't think there is anywhere else to go with this. If I used emoticons I would use the cheers one right now.
Have you given an alternative? How do we fix this?
Posted on 8/13/14 at 6:47 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I'm not going to pretend like I have an answer to this problem right now and over the internet. It is very complex and multi-layered but as I said earlier it must start from a clean slate where both sides throw away their stiff fronts and are willing to really talk about and listen to what is at the heart of the problem as well as how we got here. This is in a broad sense of crime, racial division, the effects of the past etc. in an open conversation. That isn't going to happen.
However, if you really want me to outline what I think would work to fix the problem, or at a minimum give the proper access to education, opportunity, voice for change, and stability to everybody I will.
However, if you really want me to outline what I think would work to fix the problem, or at a minimum give the proper access to education, opportunity, voice for change, and stability to everybody I will.
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Posted on 8/13/14 at 7:01 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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This is in a broad sense of crime, racial division, the effects of the past etc. in an open conversation. That isn't going to happen.
Only if we're unwilling to press it. Eventually, objectivity is the only solution.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 7:09 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
It seems to me that the majority on each side is unwilling to listen. And I am unwilling to press it tonight, time for me to leave the office.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 7:14 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
dayum you boys are all scared of people not your same flesh tone!
Posted on 8/13/14 at 7:16 pm to rootisback
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dayum you boys are all scared of people not your same flesh tone!
Yeah, Mexico is full of whites. I'm terrified.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:19 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I dislike how he said guns aren't for anyone… or at least that's the way it read to me..
Posted on 8/14/14 at 1:12 am to Pavoloco83
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Anybody thinks we ought to have a bunch of English Bobbies on bicycles riding around is nuts. Not when guns are readily available. I am not anti-gun. On the contrary, but when everybody has one, you can expect the cops to have something of a siege mentality.
That makes sense, but do they really need to wear frickin camo? They are teargassing protestors/rioters in a Midwestern town, not fighting insurgents in Iraq. And I think having "domestic soldiers" in lieu of a police force is a pretty dangerous thing for a free society. It's hard to say you live in a free country, if American cities are going to start being considered warzones on a regular basis. Just my $.02. I understand that the police would want to equip themselves to deal with criminals who are armed to the teeth, but with the authority they have, I hope they really appreciate how the line they walk affects this country.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:45 am to BrocraticMethod
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BrocraticMethod
That's gotta be the best name I've seen in a long, long time.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 3:13 am to The Spleen
I think Cops should have to go before a hearing if they claim to be forced to use their gun. I understand if their lives are in danger or something and they can't take the risk, but it better be life threatening when that report gets written up. I think otherwise they should only be allowed pepper spray and a taser gun. Only time someone should use a gun is if someone is undoubtedly threatening death on the officer or someone else.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 8:15 am to Recruitingjunkie
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I think Cops should have to go before a hearing if they claim to be forced to use their gun. I understand if their lives are in danger or something and they can't take the risk, but it better be life threatening when that report gets written up. I think otherwise they should only be allowed pepper spray and a taser gun. Only time someone should use a gun is if someone is undoubtedly threatening death on the officer or someone else.
Pretty much every single thing you asked for is exactly what happens today. Most jurisdictions present all the evidence to a grand jury - particularly in the case of an officer involved shooting. All LE agencies (or at least all that are past the 1970s) have a Use of force continuum that defines what levels of force are appropriate for the threat faced usually with deadly force being allowed when facing death or serious injury.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:04 am to BrocraticMethod
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That makes sense, but do they really need to wear frickin camo? They are teargassing protestors/rioters in a Midwestern town, not fighting insurgents in Iraq. And I think having "domestic soldiers" in lieu of a police force is a pretty dangerous thing for a free society. It's hard to say you live in a free country, if American cities are going to start being considered warzones on a regular basis. Just my $.02. I understand that the police would want to equip themselves to deal with criminals who are armed to the teeth, but with the authority they have, I hope they really appreciate how the line they walk affects this country.
This, all of this.
If those scenes we saw last night were instead from a protest in Russia or China, people here would be outraged. It happens in America, and people hem and haw and try to make it somehow acceptable for the police to fire teargas and rubber bullets at unarmed protesters, the media, and random bystanders.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:32 am to DCRebel
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If those scenes we saw last night were instead from a protest in Russia or China, people here would be outraged. It happens in America, and people hem and haw and try to make it somehow acceptable for the police to fire teargas and rubber bullets at unarmed protesters, the media, and random bystanders.
The contrasting reactions from the left-leaning outlets and right-leaning outlets in this situation and the Cliven Bundy situation are absolutely breathtaking. The mental gymnastics some right-leaning outlets are taking to justify what happened last night is appalling. This situation is right in the wheelhouse of the libertarian faction of the right, yet pretty much silence from them. I hate to say it's because it's impacting a predominantly black community, but I can't think of any other reason.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:40 am to DCRebel
If this were in Russia, there would be a body count today.
They don't put up with people burning shite and looting for no goddamn reason.
They don't put up with people burning shite and looting for no goddamn reason.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:58 am to The Spleen
Not guessing anything about the character of the victim, but in that photo of him I say 'peace sign my arse.'
Posted on 8/14/14 at 10:03 am to The Spleen
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The contrasting reactions from the left-leaning outlets and right-leaning outlets in this situation and the Cliven Bundy situation are absolutely breathtaking. The mental gymnastics some right-leaning outlets are taking to justify what happened last night is appalling. This situation is right in the wheelhouse of the libertarian faction of the right, yet pretty much silence from them. I hate to say it's because it's impacting a predominantly black community, but I can't think of any other reason.
There are some parallels for sure, but you're missing one very important facet.
How many acts of violence against uninvolved and totally innocent third parties occurred in the Bundy situation?
Pretty sure the number's less than 1.
That's the difference here far more than race. When you're looting and trashing other people's property, you've ceased to be a protester, have turned into a thug, and deserve to be treated appropriately.
Oh, and the Bundy people were/are wrong too. He's lost at every court level and nothing I've read has led me to believe he's been wronged in any way.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 10:16 am to JustGetItRight
Obviously it's an apples to oranges comparison. But the justification of the heavily militarized police presence because a dozen or so idiots decided to loot some stores is the point. These people are angry over what they perceive to be an unjust killing at the hands of a police officer, and are being vilified for it by some right-leaning outlets. The same right-leaning outlets that celebrated the Bundy situation, a situation over a guy not wanting to pay fees for use of federal land.
Just imagine the reaction if there was a picture of a black Ferguson resident on the roof of his house with a high-powered rifle aimed at the police, just like the image of one of the Bundy activists with a high-powered rifle aimed at federal agents. Do you think it would get similar reaction from the Breitbarts of the world? Hell no it wouldn't.
Just imagine the reaction if there was a picture of a black Ferguson resident on the roof of his house with a high-powered rifle aimed at the police, just like the image of one of the Bundy activists with a high-powered rifle aimed at federal agents. Do you think it would get similar reaction from the Breitbarts of the world? Hell no it wouldn't.
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