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re: Texas, send us your poor oppressed white kids.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:50 pm to wmr
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:50 pm to wmr
no doubt.
This case wasn't about the 10% though. I'm not well versed in it but it was about the 25% and how it is selected. They wanted to strike race as a factor.
I can certainly see the merit in saying it should be blind to such things but the truth is, minorities are grossly underrepresented in our state schools. And since there is a direct correlation between quality of education and long-term success, it creates a somewhat permanent underclass.
In 1970, this was a big problem. I'm not sure how I feel about it today. Has it been long enough? Maybe. Maybe not. Numbers suggest it's still pretty skewed so I'm probably on the side saying using race is okay but I do think we need to eventually phase it out.
This case wasn't about the 10% though. I'm not well versed in it but it was about the 25% and how it is selected. They wanted to strike race as a factor.
I can certainly see the merit in saying it should be blind to such things but the truth is, minorities are grossly underrepresented in our state schools. And since there is a direct correlation between quality of education and long-term success, it creates a somewhat permanent underclass.
In 1970, this was a big problem. I'm not sure how I feel about it today. Has it been long enough? Maybe. Maybe not. Numbers suggest it's still pretty skewed so I'm probably on the side saying using race is okay but I do think we need to eventually phase it out.
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:07 am to tmc94
"Minorities are grossly underrepresented in our state schools"
This is not correct. The percentage of Asians in Texas universities well exceeds their percentage of the population. Asians are a minority although the media would lead you to believe that only blacks and Hispanics are. The issue that no one ever discusses is why Asians easily get in based on merit, yet blacks and Hispanics need a crutch to get admitted.
They say that UT only has 21% Hispanics yet they make up 38% of the Texas population. They also forget to state that half of that 38% do not even graduate from high school, so how are they going to go to UT?
Lower the bar and expect lower results. Then watch the rest of the world continue to pass us by. Our education system is full of educated people who don't know shite.
This is not correct. The percentage of Asians in Texas universities well exceeds their percentage of the population. Asians are a minority although the media would lead you to believe that only blacks and Hispanics are. The issue that no one ever discusses is why Asians easily get in based on merit, yet blacks and Hispanics need a crutch to get admitted.
They say that UT only has 21% Hispanics yet they make up 38% of the Texas population. They also forget to state that half of that 38% do not even graduate from high school, so how are they going to go to UT?
Lower the bar and expect lower results. Then watch the rest of the world continue to pass us by. Our education system is full of educated people who don't know shite.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 8:40 am to tmc94
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I can certainly see the merit in saying it should be blind to such things but the truth is, minorities are grossly underrepresented in our state schools. And since there is a direct correlation between quality of education and long-term success, it creates a somewhat permanent underclass.
In 1970, this was a big problem. I'm not sure how I feel about it today. Has it been long enough? Maybe. Maybe not. Numbers suggest it's still pretty skewed so I'm probably on the side saying using race is okay but I do think we need to eventually phase it out.
Using race as a factor perpetuates the notion that one has been held down by racism. And if you can blame problems on racism, you don't look for the true causal factors. Asians are almost never beneficiaries of these "race conscious" admission policies, yet historically they were subject to roughly the same amount of prejudice as Hispanic populations.
Besides, race-based admissions is just closing the barn door after most of the horses have run off. Real solutions are going to have to come much, much earlier.
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