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re: Does anyone actually believe this
Posted on 7/7/14 at 11:41 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 7/7/14 at 11:41 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I'm an agnostic in regards to Jesus' existence. In the classical sense of "It can't be known.", it can be assumed, but to say emphatically "the guy known as Jesus who performed all of the miracles and traveled from X, Y and Z was a real person" I think is a mighty stretch.
I guess I misunderstood some of the things you said earlier. If you choose to not believe Jesus did some of the things people said he did or even that he existed that's fine, but I thought you were saying without a doubt in your mind that Jesus was not a real person even though I believe most historians would disagree with you. I know I wouldn't be able to change your mind on anything regarding Jesus on this board, and probably not in person either, but I was originally questioning how you could say without a shadow of a doubt that Jesus wasn't real. Sorry for misinterpreting that.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 11:49 pm to Dawgsontop34
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I guess I misunderstood some of the things you said earlier. If you choose to not believe Jesus did some of the things people said he did or even that he existed that's fine, but I thought you were saying without a doubt in your mind that Jesus was not a real person even though I believe most historians would disagree with you. I know I wouldn't be able to change your mind on anything regarding Jesus on this board, and probably not in person either, but I was originally questioning how you could say without a shadow of a doubt that Jesus wasn't real. Sorry for misinterpreting that.
In a sense I am saying that, but in another I'm not.
If "Jesus" fits about 5% of the Biblical narrative, can we really say that they were the same person? That's where I have trouble. Historians only have universal ascent in that there was a guy who was baptized and martyred, and their evidence is Josephus (debunked, majorly debunked) and The New Testament which is almost entirely authored anonymously.
That's shaky to say the least, and not good enough for me -- but that doesn't mean that there can't be better evidence discovered.
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