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The only way we judge teams is who they beat and who they lose to and how good those teams are. How good those other teams are matters. If you beat or lose to a bunch of SEC teams that go on to lose all their bowl games, it hurts the perception of how good/bad those teams were.

I understand that. But why can you just arbitrarily throw away 12 games worth of results and only use the final game as the end all be all? If an SEC team goes undefeated in conference and those 8 teams they beat go 3-5 in bowls, does that really diminish what they accomplished? Why are the bowl games more important than a whole seasons worth of data?

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There's a reason nobody took Northern Illinois seriously. Because they beat a bunch of teams that got their asses handed to them out of conference.

Yes, you're right. They played nobody all season. The reason that is 100% completely opposite of my point, which is still misinterpreted, is that SEC teams play an SEC schedule. My point has nothing at all to do wiht August-December. It has to do with bowl season. If Northern Illinois had breezed through their charmin soft schedule and played in a BCS bowl, don't you think that would improve their recruiting quite a bit? And thereby hur the recruiting of teams they directly recruit against?

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You can lose every OOC conference game and get to Atlanta. It's one of the rare places that perception doesn't matter, where records are all that is used

Then why did you bring it up?

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Posted by blkhawktiger

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Posted on 12/27/13 at 10:43 am to WG_Dawg

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Me too, hopefully you can post more like an adult today

ZING!!!!

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I understand that. But why can you just arbitrarily throw away 12 games worth of results and only use the final game as the end all be all? If an SEC team goes undefeated in conference and those 8 teams they beat go 3-5 in bowls, does that really diminish what they accomplished? Why are the bowl games more important than a whole seasons worth of data?

I didn't say it was fair. Actually I'm pretty sure I said it wasn't fair but that's reality. Here's why it matters:

A bunch of teams can beat up on each other all year. Over 8 games, that group may collectively be seen as pretty strong, as they all beat up on each other and all seem to have good wins. But the only way to gain perspective on how good those teams are is to go off of out of conference matchups. A conference can beat up on each other. But who cares when all those teams lose badly to every OOC team they play? If OOC matchups & bowl games didn't matter, an 8-4 Sun Belt team and an 8-4 SEC team would be viewed as equals. Same goes with 12-0 SEC vs 12-0 MAC or Mountain West. The only way to gauge a team's schedule (and strength) is how those other teams do in their other 11 games. How do you not see this?

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Posted by blkhawktiger

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Posted on 12/27/13 at 10:49 am to WG_Dawg

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Why are the bowl games more important than a whole seasons worth of data?

Short answer: Add in the early OOC match-ups and they are the only way to put what you've done IN conference in a nationwide perspective.

Like it or not, that's reality and that's how the SEC has built its image to where it is. Without all those sparkling bowl records (LSU