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re: Winston, claims, heisman, JFF
Posted on 11/14/13 at 8:17 am to EKG
Posted on 11/14/13 at 8:17 am to EKG
Yeah, I agree with everyone who thinks Manziel wasn't in the lead or even deserves to be in the lead. It's not like that stats support that claim or anything...
Total Yards:
1. Manziel (3,924)
2. Mariota (3,026)
3. Winston (2,818)
4. Petty (2,775)
5. AJ (2,019)
Total Yards Per Game:
1. Manziel (392.4)
2. Petty (346.9)
3. Mariota (336.2)
4. Winston (313.1)
5. AJ (224.3)
Total Passing Yards:
1. Manziel (3,313)
2. Winston (2,661)
3. Petty (2,657)
4. Mariota (2,531)
5. AJ (2,041)
Passing Yards Per Game:
1. Petty (332.1)
2. Manziel (331.3)
3. Winston (295.7)
4. Mariota (281)
5. AJ (226.7)
Total Rushing Yards:
1. Manziel (611)
2. Mariota (495)
3. Winston (157)
4. Petty (118)
5. AJ (-22)
Rushing Yards per Game:
1. Manziel (61)
2. Mariota (55)
3. Winston (17)
4. Petty (15)
5. AJ (negative 2)
Total TD's:
1. Manziel (39)
2. Mariota (31)
3. Winston (29)
3. Petty (29)
5. AJ (19)
Passing TD's:
1. Manziel (31)
2. Winston (26)
3. Mariota (22)
4. Petty (21)
5. AJ (19)
Rushing TD's:
1. Mariota (9)
2. Manziel (8)
2. Petty (8)
4. Winston (3)
5. AJ (zero)
Avg. TD's Per Game:
1. Manziel (3.9)
2. Petty (3.6)
3. Mariota (3.4)
4. Winston (3.2)
5. AJ (2.1)
Completion Percentage:
1. Manziel (230/315 = 73%)
2. McCarron (159/229 = 69.4%)
3. Winston (166/240 = 69.2%)
4. Petty (135/202 = 66.8%)
5. Mariota (164/259 = 63%)
Interception per Pass Attempt Ratio:
1. Mariota ( 0/259 = 0)
2. Petty ( 1/202 = 0.495%)
3. AJ ( 3/229 = 1.31%)
4. Winston ( 7/240 = 2.92%)
5. Manziel ( 11/315 = 3.49%)
The defense is awful, and Manziel has to try to make every play he can and has forced a few passes. That is his fault, agreed.
The fact is: put Manziel as QB of FSU and they are still undefeated. Give A&M FSUs D and they are undefeated.
Put Winston in Manziel's spot at QB and they lose to Ole Miss.
Now, to be fair, I think Manziel needs to come out and have good games against both LSU and Mizzou to cap off his year.
Total Yards:
1. Manziel (3,924)
2. Mariota (3,026)
3. Winston (2,818)
4. Petty (2,775)
5. AJ (2,019)
Total Yards Per Game:
1. Manziel (392.4)
2. Petty (346.9)
3. Mariota (336.2)
4. Winston (313.1)
5. AJ (224.3)
Total Passing Yards:
1. Manziel (3,313)
2. Winston (2,661)
3. Petty (2,657)
4. Mariota (2,531)
5. AJ (2,041)
Passing Yards Per Game:
1. Petty (332.1)
2. Manziel (331.3)
3. Winston (295.7)
4. Mariota (281)
5. AJ (226.7)
Total Rushing Yards:
1. Manziel (611)
2. Mariota (495)
3. Winston (157)
4. Petty (118)
5. AJ (-22)
Rushing Yards per Game:
1. Manziel (61)
2. Mariota (55)
3. Winston (17)
4. Petty (15)
5. AJ (negative 2)
Total TD's:
1. Manziel (39)
2. Mariota (31)
3. Winston (29)
3. Petty (29)
5. AJ (19)
Passing TD's:
1. Manziel (31)
2. Winston (26)
3. Mariota (22)
4. Petty (21)
5. AJ (19)
Rushing TD's:
1. Mariota (9)
2. Manziel (8)
2. Petty (8)
4. Winston (3)
5. AJ (zero)
Avg. TD's Per Game:
1. Manziel (3.9)
2. Petty (3.6)
3. Mariota (3.4)
4. Winston (3.2)
5. AJ (2.1)
Completion Percentage:
1. Manziel (230/315 = 73%)
2. McCarron (159/229 = 69.4%)
3. Winston (166/240 = 69.2%)
4. Petty (135/202 = 66.8%)
5. Mariota (164/259 = 63%)
Interception per Pass Attempt Ratio:
1. Mariota ( 0/259 = 0)
2. Petty ( 1/202 = 0.495%)
3. AJ ( 3/229 = 1.31%)
4. Winston ( 7/240 = 2.92%)
5. Manziel ( 11/315 = 3.49%)
The defense is awful, and Manziel has to try to make every play he can and has forced a few passes. That is his fault, agreed.
The fact is: put Manziel as QB of FSU and they are still undefeated. Give A&M FSUs D and they are undefeated.
Put Winston in Manziel's spot at QB and they lose to Ole Miss.
Now, to be fair, I think Manziel needs to come out and have good games against both LSU and Mizzou to cap off his year.
This post was edited on 11/14/13 at 8:20 am
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Posted on 11/14/13 at 10:48 am to evan_aggie
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The defense is awful, and Manziel has to try to make every play he can and has forced a few passes. That is his fault, agreed.
The defense being bad does not make Manziel make poor decisions because he is carrying the team. he has plenty of weapons and A&M can score ina variety of ways.
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Put Winston in Manziel's spot at QB and they lose to Ole Miss.
Not sure what you base this on, but a case could be they would have beaten Auburn if Winston was in Manziel's place just as easy. And I am NOT a Winston fan, either. I don't mind him, I just don't know enough about him.
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I think Manziel needs to come out and have good games against both LSU and Mizzou to cap off his year.
If he has big games against LSU and Missouri, he could nail down the Heisman. Should be fun to watch.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 11:12 am to evan_aggie
Here's what some say about stats:
Role of Stats for Heisman
Role of Stats for Heisman
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the player who wins the Heisman usually isn’t the season’s stat king, but the player who best exemplifies the spirit of that particular college football season. That’s what the voters are looking for, even if most don’t really know it deep down.
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If numbers really did tell us everything, Texas Tech would have five Heismans by now and Kliff Kingsbury would be a college football legend for reasons other than his impeccably-manicured facial hair.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 11:20 am to evan_aggie
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Manziel
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It's not like that stats support that claim or anything...
Sure you have some "pretty" stats to show but stats shouldn't be the sole factor in the Heisman. I know many of the voters see it that way but you have to understand WINNING your games, in particular a head to head match up against another candidate, should be factored in to the equation. Furthermore, I would look at who makes the most of what opportunities they have. Alabama has a balanced attack, plays a slower pace, with a good defense. aTm has a poor defense and what happens in their games obviously is both teams in the aTm games just run up and down the field all day back and forth. That's how you get those crazy numbers built up.
Let's look at California. Now there's a great example of a team with a lot of stats but nothing to show for it. Their QB Goff has 3,141 yards passing. They have the 8th best passing attack in the country. Should we stop there and talk about what a great set of stats they have and how awesome their QB is for putting up those big numbers? Why Hell no. They get destroyed in just about every game and all they can do is throw the ball because they get behind so big. I'm sure a lot of their stats come from their opponents' defense starting prevent defense in the 3rd quarter. They have 1 win against Portland State. So my question is, should we not look beyond raw stats when determining the Heisman? Those stats sure can be misleading! Just some food for thought...
This post was edited on 11/14/13 at 11:21 am
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