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Posted on 10/20/13 at 8:37 am to RandySavage
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Not a horse collar when you get your other arm around their front side and twist them down
stfu you dumbass
Posted on 10/20/13 at 8:39 am to 2close2Gainesville
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2close2Gainesville
Why are you so mad?
Posted on 10/20/13 at 8:47 am to 2close2Gainesville
Posted on 10/20/13 at 8:53 am to Smoke7024
I don't understand people complaining that it was a horse collar. Every clip I've seen, including the one on the previous page in this thread, shows the hand pulling down and maroon pulling down with it - and no twisting of the shoulder pads and the white area stays still. That seems crystal clear that it was the jersey.
Am I missing something, or are people just jumping on something to complain about? (And by the way, of all the penalties that affect a game, horse collaring is one of the least. Even if it was a horse collar, it's not like this affected the outcome other than the fact that you almost got a free first down. It would be different if this was a pass interference that cost you a catch in the end zone.)
Am I missing something, or are people just jumping on something to complain about? (And by the way, of all the penalties that affect a game, horse collaring is one of the least. Even if it was a horse collar, it's not like this affected the outcome other than the fact that you almost got a free first down. It would be different if this was a pass interference that cost you a catch in the end zone.)
Posted on 10/20/13 at 8:56 am to Smoke7024
It was a horse collar by the very definition of the play. It was a horrible, horrible no call. And the Auburn coaches realized it because they had the offender on the side of the field talking to him right after the play was over. There was no celebration, just looking around saying "I did nothing wrong"
So instead of 1st and ten inside the ten yard line, it is 4th and 13 instead. For better or worse, the refs were too gutless to make a call that happened a FEW FEET away from them. Absolutely effected the game.
Says a lot A&M should have won with the worst defense in CFB history. And don't even get me started on the helmet to helmet hits that were called in every other game but not this one. I mean, seriously a little consistency would be nice.
Refs had it out for Manziel in this game, to the point of one getting right in his face after a score. Never seen that before, ever.
Good for Auburn though. They wanted it more.
So instead of 1st and ten inside the ten yard line, it is 4th and 13 instead. For better or worse, the refs were too gutless to make a call that happened a FEW FEET away from them. Absolutely effected the game.
Says a lot A&M should have won with the worst defense in CFB history. And don't even get me started on the helmet to helmet hits that were called in every other game but not this one. I mean, seriously a little consistency would be nice.
Refs had it out for Manziel in this game, to the point of one getting right in his face after a score. Never seen that before, ever.
Good for Auburn though. They wanted it more.
Posted on 10/20/13 at 8:58 am to ColoradoAg
You don't understand the horse collar rule.
Period. Your 'refs had it out for us' bullsqueeze is vintage LSU rant and very bush league
Period. Your 'refs had it out for us' bullsqueeze is vintage LSU rant and very bush league
Posted on 10/20/13 at 8:59 am to Crimson Legend
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I don't understand people complaining that it was a horse collar. Every clip I've seen, including the one on the previous page in this thread, shows the hand pulling down and maroon pulling down with it - and no twisting of the shoulder pads and the white area stays still. That seems crystal clear that it was the jersey.
Am I missing something, or are people just jumping on something to complain about? (And by the way, of all the penalties that affect a game, horse collaring is one of the least. Even if it was a horse collar, it's not like this affected the outcome other than the fact that you almost got a free first down. It would be different if this was a pass interference that cost you a catch in the end zone.)
They way Manziel was pulled down, he could have broken an ankle, which is why the rule exists in the first place. He sense what was happening, and spun his feet and twisted with the defenders right arm(which wasn't pulling him, but Manziel wouldn't have been able to twist against it). It was a clear horse collar, imo.
Posted on 10/20/13 at 9:00 am to ColoradoAg
To clarify my two main points:
1. It is my understanding that it is not a horse collar if you pull him down by the neck of the jersey and not the shoulder pads (correct me if I'm wrong on this). He clearly pulled him down by the jersey. If he had pulled the shoulder pads, then how do we see his hand pulling down and maroon coming down with it, while the shoulder pads never twist or move with the hand?
2. Only the fact that you didn't benefit from the call affected the game. On other types of penalties, the infraction affects the outcome. On this, he just didn't get called for what you thought was an illegal tackle, but it didn't stop you from making a successful play. The (alleged) infraction itself didn't cause you to lose, only the fact that you didn't benefit from the call.
1. It is my understanding that it is not a horse collar if you pull him down by the neck of the jersey and not the shoulder pads (correct me if I'm wrong on this). He clearly pulled him down by the jersey. If he had pulled the shoulder pads, then how do we see his hand pulling down and maroon coming down with it, while the shoulder pads never twist or move with the hand?
2. Only the fact that you didn't benefit from the call affected the game. On other types of penalties, the infraction affects the outcome. On this, he just didn't get called for what you thought was an illegal tackle, but it didn't stop you from making a successful play. The (alleged) infraction itself didn't cause you to lose, only the fact that you didn't benefit from the call.
Posted on 10/20/13 at 9:02 am to Crimson Legend
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1. It is my understanding that it is not a horse collar if you pull him down by the neck of the jersey and not the shoulder pads (correct me if I'm wrong on this). He clearly pulled him down by the jersey. If he had pulled the shoulder pads, then how do we see his hand pulling down and maroon coming down with it, while the shoulder pads never twist or move with the hand?
Incorrect. Jersey or shoulder pads, it is still a horse collar.
Posted on 10/20/13 at 9:05 am to TeLeFaWx
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Incorrect. Jersey or shoulder pads, it is still a horse collar.
If that's true, then it was clearly a horse collar, without question. I need to get current with the rules.
Posted on 10/20/13 at 9:05 am to TeLeFaWx
It was a horse collar and the helmet hit was ridiculous. But I am sure we got away with a few as well. Needing a penalty to score in the last few seconds at home......shame on us.
Posted on 10/20/13 at 9:08 am to Old Sarge
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It was a horse collar and the helmet hit was ridiculous. But I am sure we got away with a few as well. Needing a penalty to score in the last few seconds at home......shame on us.
Bad breaks happen, and now doubt that was an absolutely horrible won, but at the end of the day, Auburn won the game. No one promised you refs were perfect. It's just the nature of the beast. You have to take the good with the bad. There will be games where a bad call at a pivotal moment will help the Aggies, and I'll feel the same way. A win is a win.
Posted on 10/20/13 at 9:09 am to Old Sarge
Lol at all the aggies whining about the officials. Nobody crying about Chris Davis getting MUGGED on the Evans screen for the early td.
Posted on 10/20/13 at 9:10 am to TeLeFaWx
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Bad breaks happen, and now doubt that was an absolutely horrible *one, but at the end of the day, Auburn won the game. No one promised you refs were perfect. It's just the nature of the beast. You have to take the good with the bad. There will be games where a bad call at a pivotal moment will help the Aggies, and I'll feel the same way. A win is a win.
Posted on 10/20/13 at 9:11 am to Crimson Legend
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I don't understand people complaining that it was a horse collar. Every clip I've seen, including the one on the previous page in this thread, shows the hand pulling down and maroon pulling down with it - and no twisting of the shoulder pads and the white area stays still. That seems crystal clear that it was the jersey.
It does not matter if he only grabs the neck opening of the jersey it is still a horse collar if the player is past the line of scrimmage and not in the tackle box.
Posted on 10/20/13 at 9:12 am to TeLeFaWx
Posted on 10/20/13 at 9:13 am to Crimson Legend
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If that's true, then it was clearly a horse collar, without question. I need to get current with the rules.
Don't know if they've ever made the distinction in the past, but using your body weight to bring down a defender backwards like that, is absolutely a horse collar. Being a Cowboys fan watching the Roy Williams rule created because his slow arse was always chasing people from behind, I'm pretty familiar with it.
Posted on 10/20/13 at 9:15 am to TeLeFaWx
And of all the horse collars I've seen, the way Manziel twisted out that to avoid injury was incredible. That guys balance is fricking insane.
Posted on 10/20/13 at 9:15 am to TeLeFaWx
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Being a Cowboys fan
I grew up a Cowboys fan, loved Tom Landry. I even stuck with them when Jerry a-hole Jones bought the team and they (unceremoniously) fired Landry. I stuck with them through Jimmy Johnson and his arrogant, toupee wearing Miami arse. I stick with my team.
Then they hired Barry Switzer and I said to hell with it all. I haven't been a pro football fan since, and I don't miss it.
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