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re: Edward Snowden requests asylum from Russia. Have you changed your mind?

Posted on 6/23/13 at 6:17 pm to
Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 6/23/13 at 6:17 pm to
Government had more controls on it in the past. Over the past decade, citizens have given.. yes given.. the Gov't more control, by being afraid and electing people that passed laws to give them more control.

To say that there is nothing anyone can do, is a defeatist attitude and goes in line with your reasoning of let them do what they want, I'm not doing anything wrong. It's a herd mentality to think like that and it's what propagates abuses.

Suggesting a move to another country is grasping in an argument that is being lost. It'd be the equivalent if I had said, why don't you move to Russia, I hear they'll be happy to monitor your calls everyday and you won't have a thing to worry about, because you don't do anything wrong.
This post was edited on 6/23/13 at 6:19 pm
Posted by CheeseburgerEddie
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Posted on 6/23/13 at 6:21 pm to
I don't have a problem with it, but without these kinds of programs, there will be more attacks than we are used to. Which is a very small amount. I think this program probably has stopped some attacks in the planning stages and it definitely will stop some in the future.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 6/23/13 at 6:24 pm to
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Government had more controls on it in the past. Over the past decade, citizens have given.. yes given.. the Gov't more control, by being afraid and electing people that passed laws to give them more control.


The world is changing. In the past someone plotting to blow up a building or setting off a car bomb on American soil was seen as a notable outlier. Now it's merely the six o'clock news. This isn't condoning all government action but merely showing that your comparison is unfounded.

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To say that there is nothing anyone can do, is a defeatist attitude and goes in line with your reasoning of let them do what they want, I'm not doing anything wrong. It's a herd mentality to think like that and it's what propagates abuses.


Ok then, give me a solution.

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Suggesting a move to another country is grasping in an argument that is being lost. It'd be the equivalent if I had said, why don't you move to Russia, I hear they'll be happy to monitor your calls everyday and you won't have a thing to worry about, because you don't do anything wrong.



The problem with this is that in Russia they DO kick down your door and arrest you without cause.
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