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re: ASB trying to get rid of Dixie Update: no vote Dixie to stay

Posted on 4/24/13 at 8:02 am to
Posted by Doresrules
Dallas, Tx
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 8:02 am to
Dixie doesnt make Ole Miss. A beautiful campus, beautiful women, a gameday scene that is second to none, a great education, a rising athletic department, and a student body that embodies America...its growing and changing in a good way.

To the guy that says I am what's wrong with Ole Miss you got it all wrong. As a black male in particular I find myself having to defend the University I love whenever its brought up. Why do you like that racist school? ...it's not racist just like America it has a past that it isnt proud of but has done things to move forward. You didnt see the Obama riots? ...that wasnt a riot just a couple idiots and since its MS the story was blown out of porportion by the media.

As a black male how do I honestly defend Ole Miss if there is a public heated debate about saving Dixie, a song that starts off with I wish I was in the land of Cotton???

Personally I dont care if there is a Klan rally before each game, I dont get over emotional about simple things. But if someone does try to change a few things in order to appeal to a large base than just Ole Miss I'm all for it. You should be as well.
Posted by UMRealist
Member since Feb 2013
35360 posts
Posted on 4/24/13 at 8:25 am to
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Dixie doesnt make Ole Miss.


You are right about this. It doesn't make us but it is apart of Ole Miss. Where does the stripping stop?? They took away the grey jerseys in football. Next will it be the red and blue? Personally I think it will stop once the university denounces the name "Ole Miss".. Cultural genocide.

Everything you said is true, but I ask you this.. Why do you or anyone else give a damn about what others say about it? We still pull in a very large percentage of out of state students every year. We have the highest minority enrollment in the SEC. So apparently it's not hurting our enrollment (there is already too few spots for people that want to get in).

I just think this is all apart of trying to appease everyone and be as politically correct as possible. Personally I don't believe in political correctness in any shape or form.

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a song that starts off with I wish I was in the land of Cotton???


Nothing about this lyric is or should be controversial.. Mississippi was and still is "the land of cotton".

As far as the rest of the song, people can read into it what they want. If you want something to be controversial it will be. To me it has nothing to do with racism or slavery, but points out that the south is rich with family and cultural traditions.
Posted by McRebel42
North Mississippi Hollywood
Member since Oct 2012
11606 posts
Posted on 4/24/13 at 9:03 am to
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As a black male how do I honestly defend Ole Miss if there is a public heated debate about saving Dixie, a song that starts off with I wish I was in the land of Cotton???


This can be taken as I wish I was in Mississippi just as much as the negative connotation that you're implying though.

I understand what it is you are saying and most the time I would 100% agree with you even if I myself might not like what's happening; i.e. From Dixie With Love ~ pissed me off so much that it was being taken away, but if the idiots couldn't stop saying TSWRA, even though my perception of this was different than others, then I was okay with it being taken away.

Here's somewhat my problem with this whole love affair with stripping Ole Miss from its history. In many cases its correct that we should disassociate ourselves from certain negative images like the Confederate Flag & Colonel Reb, but where do we draw the line? Should we tear down the confederate memorial to the University Greys to which our school derives its nickname?? Should we desecrate and destroy the Confederate Graveyard??? All because these things have association and ties to the Civil War and the Confederacy????

Look this is where I have the problem OUR school is different in many ways because of the connection to the old south as you say. IMO this makes us special because it itself is a case study on progression, but does this progression have to come by forsaking all that is Ole Miss. To me I feel the University is more than that and shows how people today can honor those like the University Greys and Southern Heritage yet strive to make things better for today. We are a bridge from the past into the future. So why should we get rid of something like Dixie, to us this truly embodies our attitude of life and love for the place we call home. I wish I was in the Land of Cotton is a line I always think of we I'm very far away from home. NO NOT BECAUSE I WISH I HAD SLAVES AND ALL THAT bullshite, but because I miss the fall days of being in Oxford and the slight rolling hills of Lafayette County, the flatlands of the delta, beautiful blondes of Ole Miss, the drunken debauchery of the square, in all I miss my real home, my university, my family, Rebelnation!

Okay here's the thing OUR University is complex it's not just black & white, there are grey areas and it this case this is a grey area to me. Should we forsake Dixie for what you deem progress, IMO if we do we might as well tear down the memorial, change our name and colors. Or instead, we can find true progress and find a way to coexist in the world where we don't have to sacrifice everything we hold dear for another. This university had ties to the Civil War and yes that war had so much wrong in so many ways but it is OUR history and its is apart of us, if you can see why it would be a shame to separate Ole Miss from some parts of its past and act like it never happen then I really don't know what to say to you.

I am all for progression, understanding and equality but somewhere I/we have to draw a line. I/we never did anything for the ridicule and criticism we receive as a whole for the actions of the past, should I as a white male become a slave to make up for the things my ancestors, that have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH ME, did. Because in away I feel its one of these things that if you don't agree with what I want you are a RACIST and that's just NOT TRUE.

I know I have been on a rant but I hope you might understand what I am trying to convey. It's my hope that OUR university can bring people to understand these things without their negative connotations by bringing them into the light and showing what they truly mean to the people of the south.

It's my wish that we can make TSWRA a new meaning and that meaning be that we will move past all the negative connotations that are associated with us and we will move the ignorance and bigotry into a new golden age for Southern Peoples, not where we rebel but where we are no longer looked down upon but instead looked up at and it is my belief that Ole Miss and many southern universities can bring us to this point is we can find a way to not only embrace our past but our future together as well.


/rant
This post was edited on 4/24/13 at 9:39 am
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
109193 posts
Posted on 4/24/13 at 1:00 pm to
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As a black male how do I honestly defend Ole Miss if there is a public heated debate about saving Dixie, a song that starts off with I wish I was in the land of Cotton???



Newsflash, but Ole Miss IS in the land of cotton. That has not changed.

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But if someone does try to change a few things in order to appeal to a large base than just Ole Miss I'm all for it.


bullshite. Dixie isn't keeping anyone off of our campus. If we give into to one group of pussies, then we will soon give into to a worse bunch of pussies like PETA. Let me guess, you're for the removal of the Rebels title too right?

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You should be as well.



Kill yourself
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
99300 posts
Posted on 4/24/13 at 1:49 pm to
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Dixie doesnt make Ole Miss. A beautiful campus, beautiful women, a gameday scene that is second to none, a great education, a rising athletic department, and a student body that embodies America...its growing and changing in a good way.


True. But this would be the equivalent to me of someone petitioning to have the name Rupp removed from Rupp Arena because Rupp was labeled racist (you can argue whether rightly so or not). And I'd be offended. Because it's a part of the University of Kentucky's culture even if it isn't the one thing that totally makes the University of Kentucky.

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To the guy that says I am what's wrong with Ole Miss you got it all wrong. As a black male in particular I find myself having to defend the University I love whenever its brought up. Why do you like that racist school? ...it's not racist just like America it has a past that it isnt proud of but has done things to move forward. You didnt see the Obama riots? ...that wasnt a riot just a couple idiots and since its MS the story was blown out of porportion by the media.


You can remove everything certain people believe symbolically represents "racism" at Ole Miss and there will still be people that will call Ole Miss racist because you'll never be able to erase the history there. I'm not saying that's right, but it is what it is. But you do nothing but bring untoward attention to the University when you put these things in the limelight and declare them "racist" when they're not. I didn't know of anyone outside of your ASB that was running around saying that Dixie was racist and Ole Miss was racist for playing it.

Your ASB is being a bunch of attention whores right now.

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As a black male how do I honestly defend Ole Miss if there is a public heated debate about saving Dixie, a song that starts off with I wish I was in the land of Cotton???


Mississippi isn't the land of cotton anymore? And you tell people that the University you now attend has come a long way from the 60s and James Meredith. And stop being a dipshit about it.

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Personally I dont care if there is a Klan rally before each game, I dont get over emotional about simple things. But if someone does try to change a few things in order to appeal to a large base than just Ole Miss I'm all for it. You should be as well.


You obviously do care quite a bit if you're that concerned about a song perpetuating a perception that is going to unfortunately be there whether Dixie is or not.

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